[117011] in Cypherpunks
Re: Project: Hardening Crypto Against Big Brother's "Black Bag"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (duncan.watson@aladdin.de)
Wed Aug 25 03:40:58 1999
From: duncan.watson@aladdin.de
To: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:21:02 +0100
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I'm coming in to this late but...
Steve,
Have you ever looked at the statistics for wiretap warrants? The info
I have is from memory dating from March or April of 1999. It stated
that since law enforcement gets to choose the judge they ask for these
warrants, only one has ever been denied since the law was enacted. An
extremely large percentage (80-90%) are never used for evidence. This
percentage is judged per warrant not per conversation.
This concerns me as it seems to me that the same procedure would be
used for this proposed statute.
- -Duncan
On 24.08.99 19:44:57 John Haggerty wrote:
>
>Hmm.. What would happen if you just planted couple hundred pounds of
dynamite
>and had it triggered when anyone entered the home except you via some
remote
>signaling device, then when they try to go into your house the whole
thing is
>blown to bits investigators, evidence, and all.
>
>>Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:56:57 -0500
>>To: Petro <petro@suba.com>
>>From: steve bryan <sbryan@vendorsystems.com>
>>Cc: cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
>>
>>>>There are some definite unacceptable aspects to the proposal...
>>...
>>> They want PERMISSION to break into your house when you aren't
>>>home to plant evid^h^h^h^h information gathering devices.
>>>
>>> This doesn't bother you?
>>
>>Yes, it does bother me which is why I stated my position the way I
>>did. If they are demanding the routine privilege of employing this
as
>>an investigative technique, I'd tell them to go to hell. However, if
>>they have enough other persuasive evidence to convince a judge that
>>they need this procedure to gather evidence needed for a conviction
I
>>wouldn't rule it out. Of course if an investigator makes such
>>requests and no further evidence is found then he will lose
>>credibility and he may get his toys taken away.
>>
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