[9350] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: Cost vs benefit of internet services
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ittai Hershman)
Wed Dec 29 23:56:57 1993
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 23:52:01 EST
From: Ittai Hershman <ittai@ans.net>
To: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Cc: matthew@echo.com (Matthew Kaufman), stpeters@dawn.crd.ge.com,
In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 29 Dec 1993 22:19:20 -0600 (CST)
> I would like to see the actual reason why a network provider is
> PROHIBITED from allowing subsidiary providers to have CIX routing.
You are not prohibited from doing so. However, whether or not another
network provider <chooses> to accept your indirect routes is <up to them>.
The CIX agreement only <protects> direct routes. In fact, it is clearly
stated that nothing in the agreement shall prohibit or otherwise prevent
private agreements between providers on any terms whatsoever. [...]
As a CIX member I can sell you a connection that you can resell,
if I choose to do so. I cannot, in clear conscience, <guarantee>
that your customers will be able to reach all the other CIX
members and direct customers, although I certainly can guarantee
(if I want) that you can reach my customers in any form
whatsoever.
Karl,
It would be very helpful to me (and I suspect others on this list) to
see whatever written material you have which has led you to this
understanding. I have been struggling to understand the current CIX
policies, in general, since they do not appear to be clearly written
down anywhere -- aside from the membership agreement which is
ambiguous on this very important issue. Upon asking Bill Washburn
about this issue, I was informed that the CIX Board had discussed this
at their most recent meeting and, as a start, decided to write down
the historical working definition that has been in force for the past
two years. That working definition (see below) appears to contradict
your understanding.
-Ittai
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 1993 21:36:27 -0700
To: ittai@ans.net
From: washburn@cix.org (Bill Washburn)
Subject: working definition
Ittai--
Here's a working definition... Bill
All customers of a standard CIX member have access to the CIX except for
"resellers" of IP service. "IP service" is defined as direct TCP/IP access
to the Internet with the assigning of a IP network number to an individual
or organization. As such any customer of a CIX member who is an IP
reseller will not have access to the CIX for itself or for the indviduals
or organizations it provides service to.
