[9310] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: The annointed
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marc Horowitz)
Tue Dec 28 18:59:32 1993
To: sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)
Cc: steve@mon.cise.nsf.gov, com-priv@psi.com
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 18:58:47 EST
From: Marc Horowitz <marc@MIT.EDU>
>> If you have a commercial account and they have a commercial account, then
>> it's almost gaurunteed that you do not pass over an AUP network
>> backbone that you aren't supposed to. If you do it's your network
>> providers problem, not yours.
Really? Explain this traceroute:
> traceroute uu6.psi.com
traceroute to uu6.psi.com (38.145.155.3), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 nearnet-gw (192.231.148.253) 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms
2 bbn2-gw.near.net (131.192.170.1) 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms
3 harvard-gw.near.net (131.192.5.1) 7 ms 8 ms 7 ms
4 prospect-gw.near.net (131.192.32.3) 7 ms 6 ms 7 ms
5 mit2-gw.near.net (131.192.7.1) 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms
6 enss.near.net (192.233.33.6) 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms
7 t3-1.Hartford-cnss49.t3.ans.net (140.222.49.2) 12 ms 8 ms 10 ms
8 mf-0.Hartford-cnss48.t3.ans.net (140.222.48.222) 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms
9 t3-2.New-York-cnss32.t3.ans.net (140.222.32.3) 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms
10 t3-1.Washington-DC-cnss56.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.2) 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms
11 mf-0.Washington-DC-cnss58.t3.ans.net (140.222.56.194) 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms
12 t3-0.enss136.t3.ans.net (140.222.136.1) 18 ms 17 ms 18 ms
13 psi-nsf.psi.net (192.41.177.246) 23 ms 22 ms 23 ms
14 core.net155.psi.net (38.1.2.3) 178 ms 180 ms 184 ms
15 uu6.psi.com (38.145.155.3) 192 ms 170 ms 163 ms
I just sent mail to my service provider (NEARnet. John are you there?
:-) to explain this as well, because it does seem wrong. But it is
most certainly happening.
>> Everyone with a .com domain SHOULD be a commercial customer.
I pay for NEARnet's commercial routing service, which means ANS should
be carrying my packets from NEARnet to the CIX. But the CIX isn't in
the above traceroute. I would be interested to know if I did not
subscribe to this service, if packets to nbc would be dropped on the
floor, get ICMP Host or Net Unreachable, or go through.
One more question, if someone out there can answer it: Can anyone
estimate the number of Internet sites/hosts/users, globally, who could
get packets to, say, MIT, but not to nbc.com, due to AUP restrictions.
Also, the number who can get to both sites, but not strictly
legitimately (I seem to be in this category right now), and the number
who have legitimate routing to both sites. Any legitimate path counts
(NSF, CIX, RFC1149, etc).
Marc
