[9175] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: an Internet buying coop?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Glenn S. Tenney)
Mon Dec 20 14:02:02 1993
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 10:57:46 -0800
To: com-priv@psi.com
From: tenney@netcom.com (Glenn S. Tenney)
At 1:19 PM 12/20/93 +0100, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>Technically, it makes a great deal of difference whether you are
>connecting one machine, with an IP address issued from the provider's
>network address space; or you are connecting a subnet with an IP
>network number issued to you. ...
Yes, of course... But, since I mentioned connecting my whole house, I
expected to have a sub-net of some number of addresses for me to assign to
each machine in my home (for discussion, let's say it's ten machines -- a
few for me, one for my wife, and one for each kid). Whether my Internet
Provider gives me a subnet of 16 addresses or 128 addresses, it would be
the same net impact. If I wanted my own subnet completely separate from my
provider's addresses, even for my single machine, couldn't I get that? And
then the routing problem would exist for just my single machine.
I think this is a technical problem, but that it has nothing to do with
whether I should be able to connect multiple people or not. It seems that
the impact to my provider would be the same regardless (they would have to
enter my address into their routing tables either way).
>
>If the six machines belong to you, the IP provider only needs to tell
>*you* about it when there is upcoming maintenance, or a just-dicovered
>outage or consideration of a change in price structures. If they belong
>to you and five other small businesses in your building, the IP provider
>may need to worry about whether you really will remember to discuss this
>with your neighbors.
If I buy service from XYZ company who in turn buys their net connection
from QRZNet (this is the way it is right now for hundreds if not thousands
of folks), no where on this planet that I know of does QRZNet tell each
customer of XYZ that they'll be down... Maybe my direct experience is not
an adequate sample, but at least I've not heard of any backbone provider
calling me to tell me that the link to my access provider was down. Why
should they start?
What I was suggesting is reality: If I buy a link from XYZ, when they have
to do maintenance or whatever, they tell ME -- they don't tell my coop
members, they don't tell my customers, etc. This is true regardless of
how I buy a connection.
Your point above, then, is a red herring.
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Glenn Tenney
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