[13296] in Athena Bugs
decmips 7.7G: talk and otalk on athena SPARCs running Sola
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Barker)
Mon Mar 6 17:27:57 1995
To: gptesler@MIT.EDU
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Date: Mon, 06 Mar 1995 17:27:48 EST
From: Mike Barker <mbarker@MIT.EDU>
the version of talk provided by Athena for Solaris now converts input
^M to ^J to provide compatibility with most other versions of talk
that I could find to test.
As you point out, the talk code itself expected a ^J rather than ^M, so
this change seems to fit the problem.
thank you for using Athena.
mike
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Subject: NetProb ticket #2742, decmips 7.7G: talk and otalk on athena SPARCs running Sola
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>Subject: decmips 7.7G: talk and otalk on athena SPARCs running Solaris
>Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:33:51 EST
>
>What's wrong:
> Various combinations of talk and otalk with athena SPARCs display
>return as ^M, rather than beginning a new line. These excerpts from
>olc explain it all in detail.
>
>Log Initiated for user Glenn P Tesler (gptesler@W20-575-117.MIT.EDU [0]).
> [Thu 17-Nov-94 8:19am]
>
>Topic: unix
>
>Question:
>On the athena SPARCs under Solaris, there's something strange with
>talk, otalk, and the return key displaying as ^M. I actually first
>encountered this when someone at another school on a machine running
>Solaris tried to "talk" to me, so it's more likely to be Solaris than
>athena.
>
>scenario 1: on the athena SPARCs under Solaris, bring up two xterms,
>and run talk in each to talk to yourself.
>Each time you press return, it displays as ^M, rather than starting a
>new line. Next do the same but with otalk, and it works fine.
>
>scenario 2: I tried to talk between an athena SPARC under Solaris,
>and a non-athena computer taylor.mit.edu, which hostinfo says runs SUNOS.
>taylor has talk and ntalk, rather than talk and otalk. The combination
>of programs I must use is otalk on athena and talk on taylor. Now,
>when I type on taylor, the returns display properly in both windows.
>When I type on athena, the returns start new lines on athena,
>but display as ^M on taylor.
>
>In short:
>athena otalk <-> athena otalk: return works fine in both
>athena talk <-> athena talk: return displays as ^M in both.
> This is particulary troubling,
> as it can't be incompatible machines;
> it's all on one machine!
>athena otalk <-> taylor talk: pressing return on taylor is fine
> pressing return on athena shows ^M
> on taylor
>
>So how do I get the returns to display properly?
>
>I looked at stty and tried the various options concerning NL/CR
>(inlcr,igncr,icrnl,onlcr,ocrnl,onocr,onlret, and -each of these), with
>no effect.
>___________________________________________________________
>
>*** Mail from consultant jroth@NAVIGATOR.MIT.EDU [0].
> [Thu 17-Nov-94 9:57am]
>Sorry we couldn't answer your question while you were logged on. You asked:
>...
>Thanks for the detailed description of the problem - someone might
>actually use that to finally fix the broken talk on Solaris. In the
>meantime, try ytalk from the sipb locker. It's supposedly better and
>capable of emulating all of the [on ]talk stuff:
>
> add sipb
> ytalk foo@host
>
>Please get back to us once you try it. Please use the "send" command at
>the olc> prompt (and not private mail).
>
> Jakub Roth
> Athena Consultant
>
>*** Reply from user gptesler@M4-167-7.MIT.EDU [0].
> [Thu 17-Nov-94 4:34pm]
>Hi,
> ytalk doesn't seem to be in the sipb locker on the suns.
>It can't find it when I try to run it; which doesn't list it; and
>then we have
>athena% cd /mit/sipb; ls */ytalk
>decmipsbin/ytalk rs_aix32/ytalk rt_aos4/ytalk vax_bsd43/ytalk
>pmax_ul4/ytalk rsaixbin/ytalk rtbin/ytalk vaxbin/ytalk
>
>which shows it's not in any of the sun binary directories at all.
>So I can't try it out.
> Glenn
>*** Reply from consultant yba@MARINARA.MIT.EDU [0].
> [Thu 17-Nov-94 6:49pm]
>Sounds like the talk program is in raw mode. The stty command to
>reverse it is just
>
> stty -raw
>
>on most systems, under solaris I would check for the reasons noted
>earlier :-). I suggest you use sendbug....
>
>*** Reply from user gptesler@W20-575-114.MIT.EDU [0].
> [Thu 17-Nov-94 7:06pm]
>I tried "stty -raw" with athena talk <-> athena talk, in one window,
>and in both windows, and there was no change. It still displays as ^M.
>
>*** Reply from consultant wchuang@TAILGUNNER.MIT.EDU [3].
> [Thu 17-Nov-94 10:24pm]
>Hello, Glenn...
>
>This is actually a bug with the version of talk running on the Athena
>SparcStation Classics...
>
>I would suggest sending in a bug report about this (i.e., what you've
>entered as a question seems to do very nicely as a detailed bug report)
>
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