[16565] in bugtraq
Re: FORCED RELEASE NOTES - CORE-090400 - BID 1634
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Duncan)
Tue Sep 5 02:22:04 2000
Message-ID: <200009050457.AAA13941@rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 00:58:44 -0400
Reply-To: jnduncan@CISCO.COM
From: Jim Duncan <jnduncan@CISCO.COM>
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To: BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM
In-Reply-To: Message from Vulnerability Help <vulnhelp@SECURITYFOCUS.COM> of
"Mon, 04 Sep 2000 17:32:45 PDT."
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Vulnerability Help writes:
> The SecurityFocus Vulnerability Help Team is releasing details behind the
> FORCED RELEASE of the CORE-SDI Advisory "UNIX locale format string
> vulnerability".
> [...]
> The information on this vulnerability became available via several Linux
> Vendor advisories. Given the nature of the bug CORE-SDI felt it was
> important to post the advisory. The advisories in question were:
>
> 1. RedHat - glibc vulnerabilities in ld.so, locale and gettext
> http://www.securityfocus.com/advisories/2576
>
> 2. Debian - Glibc Vulnerability
> http://www.securityfocus.com/advisories/2578
>
> Neither company responded to the original message, neither warned us to
> the fact they were contacted by other people with information that
> pertained to the same vulnerability, and they failed to warn us they were
> going to release an advisory.
> [...]
> The net result here is that Linux vendors were aware this problem existed
> in *other* non Linux UNIX distributions. In particular they were aware of
> the fact that Solaris was vulnerable, yet advisories were released
> regardless of this. It is a given that people who understand that the
> Local Subsystem is cross platform (this is essentially anyone who reads
> Bugtraq..) would realize that this problem would affect more than just
> Linux distributions. As a result of no attempt to work amongst the Linux
> vendors with other vendors a series of OS's are now unprotected to a very
> serious, very wide spread bug.
>
> That being said, there really is no one to blame for this situation. There
> exists no forum for competing vendors to share information like this and
> further many vendors simply don't seem interested in working with other
> vendors to see multi vendor vulnerabiltities resolved.
That's not true; the FIRST maintains a method for competing vendors to
share sensitive information like this and to coordinate public
announcements regarding vulnerabilities. There have been major events
in the past in which the Unix vendors that were members of FIRST at the
time (http://www.first.org/team-info/) were brought together by one of
the Unix vendors, advised of the vulnerability, worked out a schedule,
and then fixed the problem. When they were ready, they published all
at the same time.
FIRST is often criticized, but it's better than nothing, and stating
that there is no such forum is decidedly counterproductive. I have
recently begun trying to coordinate a similar venue for network
equipment manufacturers by encouraging their involvement in FIRST. As
far as router makers go, the team I'm on, the Cisco Product Security
Incident Response Team, seems to be the only team of its kind.
> It's likely that this type of incident will happen again.
Let's hope not. This is outrageous, and shows a distinct lack of
maturity in the industry. To earn the respect of the rest of the
world, we have to do better than this. You can start by advocating
involvement in existing organizations that _do_ work, rather than
reconciling yourself to the opinion that it's hopeless.
Assume that mistakes _will_ happen; then what becomes important is how
you handle them. Let's learn from this and prevent it in the future.
Jim
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Jim Duncan, Product Security Incident Manager, Cisco Systems, Inc.
<http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/707/sec_incident_response.shtml>
E-mail: <jnduncan@cisco.com> Phone(Direct/FAX): +1 919 392 6209
