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Released Patch: Tumbleweed Worldsecure (MMS) BLANK 'sa' account p

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ingo Wupper)
Wed Aug 16 14:11:04 2000

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Tumbleweed has released a patch for the above problem. Pls find the URL =
in
the eMail below:
=20
Regards
=20

	 Vanco Euronet GmbH=20
 - the human network -=20

	 Ingo Wupper=20
 (Leiter Gesch=E4ftsbereich eSecurity)=20
 Tel:  +49 6102 785-601=20
 Fax: +49 6102 785-556=20



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-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: klaus.stracker@tumbleweed.com =
[mailto:klaus.stracker@tumbleweed.com]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 16. August 2000 14:24
An: ingo.wupper@vanco.de
Cc: kurt.dawidowitsch@tumbleweed.com
Betreff: Tumbleweed Worldsecure (MMS) BLANK 'sa' account passwordvuln
erability [virus checked]


Hallo Herr Wupper,
=20
Bezueglich Ihrer Mitteilung wurde am letzten Freitag ein Security Patch
freigegeben.
=20
http://thompson.tumbleweed.com/NewKB/bulletin/UPFiles/sa-official.htm
<http://thompson.tumbleweed.com/NewKB/bulletin/UPFiles/sa-official.htm> =

=20
=20
Ich hoffe Ihnen hiermit geholfen zu haben.
=20
=20
Freundliche Gruesse
=20
Klaus Stracker
Tumbleweed Communications
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Ingo Wupper [mailto:ingo.wupper@vanco.de]
Sent: 11 August 2000 07:44
To: Pat Boswell-Saul
Subject: WG: Tumbleweed Worldsecure (MMS) BLANK 'sa' account =
passwordvuln
erability [virus checked]



Could you pls clarify the comment of Tumbleweed denying this vuln. with =
you
technical staff ?=20

Thx.=20

Best Regards,=20

         Vanco Euronet GmbH=20
         - the human network -=20

         Ingo Wupper=20
         (Leiter Gesch=E4ftsbereich eSecurity)=20
         Tel:  +49 6102 785-601=20
         Fax: +49 6102 785-556=20



        The information contained in this eMail is confidential. It is
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is
unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any form of =
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reproduction, distribution or any action taken or refrained from in =
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        legally binding unless confirmed by letter.=20







-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----=20
Von: NT HATER [ mailto:__nt__@ANONYMOUS.TO <mailto:__nt__@ANONYMOUS.TO> =
]=20
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. August 2000 18:37=20
An: BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM=20
Betreff: Tumbleweed Worldsecure (MMS) BLANK 'sa' account password=20
vulnerability [virus checked]=20


I've recently discovered the following vulnerability:=20
Product: Tumbleweed Messaging Management System (MMS) (Formerly =
Worldtalk=20
Worldsecure) http://www.tumbleweed.com/solutions/products/mms_products
<http://www.tumbleweed.com/solutions/products/mms_products> =20
Version: 4.3 - 4.5 (all builds)=20
Description: Product uses Microsoft's MSDE (Database engine) which is a
stripped=20
down version of the Microsoft SQL server 7.0.  During the setup stage, =
I was

never asked for the 'sa' account password, which led me to think that=20
application is either generating a random password every time it =
installs or
the=20
password is the same for all installations.  Well, after thurther =
research I

discovered that the password is left BLANK !!!  This is a huge remotely =

exploitable vulnerability.  After I remotely connected to the database =
(with

'sa' account and NO PASSWORD) I was able to delete the databases =
(denial of=20
service, product becomes unusable) and modify the data (customer
certificates,=20
configuration of the product, logs, etc.).=20

Tumbeweed refuses to acknowledge this vulnerability, which caused major
outrage=20
among my customers.  Therefore, I have no choice but to go public about =
this

vulnerability.=20

Please feel free to contact me with ANY questions regarding this issue,
although=20
I would like to remain anonymous.=20

Thank you very much.=20

------------------------------------------------------------=20
Hey you! Claim your FREE anonymous email account:=20
Click Here -> http://www.anonymous.to <http://www.anonymous.to> =20


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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D427452212-16082000>Tumbleweed has released a patch for the =
above problem.=20
Pls find the URL in the eMail below:</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D427452212-16082000>Regards</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<UL>
  <P><FONT face=3D"BenguiatGothic Medium" size=3D2>&nbsp;Vanco Euronet =
GmbH</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT face=3D"BenguiatGothic Medium" size=3D2>&nbsp;- the human =
network=20
  -</FONT> </P>
  <P><FONT face=3D"BenguiatGothic Medium" size=3D2>&nbsp;Ingo =
Wupper</FONT>=20
  <BR><FONT face=3D"BenguiatGothic Medium" size=3D2>&nbsp;(Leiter =
Gesch=E4ftsbereich=20
  eSecurity)</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3D"BenguiatGothic Medium"=20
  size=3D2>&nbsp;Tel:&nbsp; +49 6102 785-601</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
  face=3D"BenguiatGothic Medium" size=3D2>&nbsp;Fax: +49 6102 =
785-556</FONT>=20
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<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----<BR><B>Von:</B>=20
klaus.stracker@tumbleweed.com=20
[mailto:klaus.stracker@tumbleweed.com]<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Mittwoch, =
16. August=20
2000 14:24<BR><B>An:</B> ingo.wupper@vanco.de<BR><B>Cc:</B>=20
kurt.dawidowitsch@tumbleweed.com<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Tumbleweed =
Worldsecure (MMS)=20
BLANK 'sa' account passwordvuln erability [virus =
checked]<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000>Hallo Herr Wupper,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000>Bezueglich Ihrer Mitteilung wurde am letzten =
Freitag=20
ein Security Patch freigegeben.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000><A=20
href=3D"http://thompson.tumbleweed.com/NewKB/bulletin/UPFiles/sa-officia=
l.htm">http://thompson.tumbleweed.com/NewKB/bulletin/UPFiles/sa-official=
.htm</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000>Ich hoffe Ihnen hiermit geholfen zu=20
haben.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000>Freundliche Gruesse</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000>Klaus Stracker</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000>Tumbleweed =
Communications</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D184592212-16082000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ingo Wupper=20
[mailto:ingo.wupper@vanco.de]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 11 August 2000 =
07:44<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Pat Boswell-Saul<BR><B>Subject:</B> WG: Tumbleweed Worldsecure (MMS) =
BLANK 'sa'=20
account passwordvuln erability [virus checked]<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Could you pls clarify the comment of Tumbleweed =
denying this=20
vuln. with you technical staff ?</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Thx.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Best Regards,</FONT> </P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT size=3D2> =
Vanco Euronet=20
GmbH</FONT> <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D2> -=20
the human network -</FONT> </P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT size=3D2> Ingo =

Wupper</FONT> <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT =
size=3D2>=20
(Leiter Gesch=E4ftsbereich eSecurity)</FONT>=20
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT size=3D2> =
Tel:&nbsp; +49=20
6102 785-601</FONT> =
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<FONT=20
size=3D2> Fax: +49 6102 785-556</FONT> </P><BR><BR>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT size=3D2>The =
information=20
contained in this eMail is confidential. It is&nbsp; intended solely =
for the=20
addressee. Access to this eMail by anyone else is unauthorized. If you =
are not=20
the intended recipient, any form of disclosure, reproduction, =
distribution or=20
any action taken or refrained from in reliance on it is prohibited and =
may be=20
unlawful. Please notify the sender immediatly. All statements of =
opinion or=20
advice directed via this eMail to our clients are subject to the terms =
and=20
conditions expressed in the governing VANCO AGB's. The content of this =
eMail is=20
not</FONT></P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT size=3D2>legally =
binding=20
unless confirmed by letter.</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Von:=20
NT HATER [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:__nt__@ANONYMOUS.TO">mailto:__nt__@ANONYMOUS.TO</A>]</FON=
T>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. August 2000 18:37</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>An: BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>Betreff: Tumbleweed=20
Worldsecure (MMS) BLANK 'sa' account password</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>vulnerability [virus checked]</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=3D2>I've recently discovered the following =
vulnerability:</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Product: Tumbleweed Messaging Management System =
(MMS) (Formerly=20
Worldtalk</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Worldsecure) <A=20
href=3D"http://www.tumbleweed.com/solutions/products/mms_products"=20
target=3D_blank>http://www.tumbleweed.com/solutions/products/mms_product=
s</A></FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Version: 4.3 - 4.5 (all builds)</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>Description: Product uses Microsoft's MSDE (Database engine) =
which is a=20
stripped</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>down version of the Microsoft SQL =
server=20
7.0.&nbsp; During the setup stage, I was</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>never asked for=20
the 'sa' account password, which led me to think that</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>application is either generating a random password every time =
it installs=20
or the</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>password is the same for all =
installations.&nbsp;=20
Well, after thurther research I</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>discovered =
that the=20
password is left BLANK !!!&nbsp; This is a huge remotely</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>exploitable vulnerability.&nbsp; After I remotely connected to =
the=20
database (with</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>'sa' account and NO PASSWORD) =
I was able=20
to delete the databases (denial of</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>service, =
product=20
becomes unusable) and modify the data (customer certificates,</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>configuration of the product, logs, etc.).</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Tumbeweed refuses to acknowledge this vulnerability, =
which=20
caused major outrage</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>among my =
customers.&nbsp;=20
Therefore, I have no choice but to go public about this</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
size=3D2>vulnerability.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Please feel free to contact me with ANY questions =
regarding this=20
issue, although</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>I would like to remain =
anonymous.</FONT>=20
</P>
<P><FONT size=3D2>Thank you very much.</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT=20
size=3D2>------------------------------------------------------------</F=
ONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Hey you! Claim your FREE anonymous email =
account:</FONT>=20
<BR><FONT size=3D2>Click Here -&gt; <A href=3D"http://www.anonymous.to" =

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