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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2012 10:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Reed <jdreed@MIT.EDU> To: Debathena Trac <debathena@MIT.EDU> cc: andersk@MIT.EDU In-Reply-To: <057.bd70d1c139862ccd3a5f0935fa828d07@mit.edu> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1207020957520.25063@INFINITE-LOOP.MIT.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Since Trac doesn't e-mail or zephyr edits to comments, I updated this comment as follows: """ To clarify, in out-of-band conversations with Garry and Mark, it's been noted that unauth mail is only going to get more restrictive, not less. I think we need to think harder about this. Some points to consider. - Back in the day (like, the 8.4 days -- Greg or someone should correct me if my memory or inferences are wrong), we moved from Athena machines doing direct delivery to all going through outgoing. I think was from a desire not only to have mail take a known path, but also because a broken sendmail config could easily cause stupid mail loops. If we move back to encouraging direct delivery, we should make sure we've thought about this. - Keytabs are not obviously the wrong answer here for private machines, and we should encourage their use. - Saving credentials on machines probably _is_ the wrong answer. Should we support this anyway? I think my personal preference is for debathena-msmtp (and by extension, -mta) to begin to fail if they can't do authenticated delivery. We can add a setting that users can explicitly enable to allow a fallback to unauth mail and explain that it might fail. We can also document how to go install a real MTA if you want one, and the caveats that come with that. """ On Sun, 1 Jul 2012, Debathena Trac wrote: > #1025: Nothing should recommend/depend msmtp-mta; installer should deal > --------------------+----------------------------- > Reporter: jdreed | Owner: > Type: defect | Status: new > Priority: normal | Milestone: Precise Beta > Component: -- | Resolution: > Keywords: | Upstream bug: > --------------------+----------------------------- > > Comment (by jdreed): > > er, can't send unauth mail from some places. Though it's been noted that > that list of places will increase eventually. > > -- > Ticket URL: <http://athena10.mit.edu/trac/ticket/1025#comment:3> > Debathena <http://debathena.mit.edu> > MIT Debathena Project
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