[417] in Zephyr_Bugs
Re: [Dave Glowacki: Re: [Marc Horowitz: Re: zwgc vs. tvtwm] ]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marc Horowitz)
Tue Oct 6 22:43:45 1992
To: dglo@CS.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Glowacki)
Cc: Marc Horowitz <marc@MIT.EDU>, John T Kohl <jtkohl@cs.berkeley.edu>,
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 06 Oct 92 18:59:17 -0700.
Reply-To: Marc Horowitz <marc@MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 92 22:43:30 EDT
From: Marc Horowitz <marc@Athena.MIT.EDU>
>> I don't have the message any more ... but you were impugning my
>> window manager, so I felt honor-bound to clear its name...
Oh, that :-)
>> It's quite probable that tvtwm behaves that way as well (after all,
>> it's using the same base as vtwm.) Does 'RandomPlacement' affect
>> this?
yes, it does.
>> To me, this seems like a reasonable use of those hints...
Sounds twisted to me (there I go, impugning again :-) vtwm has an
option which specifies if user locations should be
displayed-root-relative, or absolute-root-relative.
>> I guess I'd like to see zwgc default to PPosition. It seems like
>> it's the window manager's fault if it ignores perfectly good
>> position hints.
That would immensely screw over every single user at MIT. tvtwm is
the only wm I've heard of which places the window itself by default if
PPosition is specified.
The real problem here is that X doesn't *have* a hint for this sort of
thing. How the client sets USPosition or PPosition is well-defined,
and the wm can do whatever it wants with it. tvtwm does something I'd
call weird.
>> I guess at a minimum, I'd like the position hint type to be
>> settable in *some* way. X resource or command line option, doesn't
>> matter to me. I just want a way to make zwgc useable under tvtwm.
useable to *you* under tvtwm :-) I have zgrams move with the virtual
root ("nailed" in vtwm-speak), so I think I'd like the current
behavior.
I don't have my ICCCM handy, but I seem to remember that it's pretty
specific about when it the USPosition bit should be set, so an option
might not be legal.
IMHO, it seems like the right solution is to have tvtwm configurable
to act certain ways with different windows. vtwm could probably use
some more fine-grained access like this, too.
>> How do bribes factor into the equation? :-)
They can have a significant effect on my whims :-)
Marc
