[1369] in SAPr3-news
Re: Salary Question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Vincent Lock)
Thu May 2 11:58:30 1996
To: sapr3-news@MIT.EDU
Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 03:45:50 +0100
From: Vincent Lock <vincent@lockvkf.demon.co.uk>
In article <4m3jlg$mop@news-f.iadfw.net>, Xeno-VanGuard
<xenov@airmail.net> writes
>Vincent Lock <vincent@lockvkf.demon.co.uk> said:
>
>--->How long is a piece of string? Fred might have been working in the SAP
>--->arena for 1 year, but who's to say he's better than Bill, who's
>--->extremely talented but has only been involved with SAP for 6 months. But
>--->then again, even though both Fred and Bill have experience in the same
>--->modules, closer inspection of their CVs reveals that Fred's experience
>--->is more relevant for the project at hand. Also, which other company
>--->wants their services? Etc...
>--->I have and always will treat with disdain "logic" along the lines of
>--->"Oh! He's got 10 years of experience in ???, therefore he must be good".
>
>We have people like you on our project team.
Funny how these people get hired....
> Always willing to point out
>the flaw in someone else's 'logic' but never willing to give an answer
>on how to fix it,
....maybe its for their ability to analyse problems, cautious in not
offering simplistic "answers", but triggering others to think and
thereby gain a better understanding of the problem. Of course, he could
keep quiet and let others take on board that "logic" :)
> or actually contributing anything worth while, like you didn't
>do in the reply
A matter of opinion, just like how much someone should be paid. Do you
read every item in this newgroup? - what you find boring might be dead
interesting and worth while to others.
>( and like you are forcing me to do in this one as well )
I have now removed my gun from your head, so please feel free to email
me instead of posting it to this newsgroup. I thought about emailing
this to you myself, but I thought some might find it an interesting
read, but then again some might not (and to anyone in this category, my
sincere apologies).
>The first person to point out the problem is usually the last person to take
>responsibility and fix it,
Not in my experience.
> but anyways I'm getting away from the point.
>
>I was speaking from strictly a 'resume' point of view. You know like a,
>hang on here, tough concept, a RANGE of salaries for which a sample of
>individuals
>from a varying array of skill levels could hope to earn with that amount
>of experience.
You want a range of salaries. I'll give you a range of salaries. In the
UK, anything from GBP18,000 to GBP500,000, _or above_. Sounds
outrageous? Not if your year was spent at SAP Waldorf developing SAP 3.0
and a client was dying to have you.
>
>You see in mathematics sometimes we take all the values, add them together,
>and divide by the number of values, this gives us an average, maybe you've heard
>of it.
You mean the mean. But then sometimes people prefer the mode, or the
median, which can all be very different. Maybe a weight average? Give a
higher weighting for more recent observations, take into account
seasons, give a higher weighting for more relevant observations, etc...
But in what proportion? What the heck, lets make up a few figures and
make it look scientific and not at all subjective.
>
>Next time, I will spoon feed you exactly what I meant,
Erm... I don't think there will be a next time; tasted it, didn't like
it, won't be lured into eating it again!
> I'm sorry it was such a
>difficult concept to grasp,
You don't have to be sorry for thinking it was a difficult concept. I
certainly didn't think it was. If you're so intent on getting figures,
approach a good number of agents; they're usually pretty good at making
up figures based on years of experience alone. You can then "..take all
the values, add them together, and divide by the number of values..." to
arrive at the figure that you're so desperate to get, and which I
considered improper to offer.
> but I feel that probably just about everyone else
>got
>it except you.
Strange, but I don't remember anyone else posting to this topic. If only
I had followed suit.
>
>
>xenov@airmail.net
>http://web2.airmail.net/~xenov/
>
--
Vincent Lock
Mitcham
England
