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Re: Harry Browne for President

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Vernon Imrich)
Fri Feb 10 17:02:12 1995

To: libertarians@MIT.EDU
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:58:57 EST
From: Vernon Imrich <vimrich@MIT.EDU>


|> Clinton used a "change message" as a campaign tool, not as any indication of
|> his actualo liberal plans.  I look at what he's attempted to do, and see

If that's so, then why doesn't he plan to veto the "laws must apply to
congress bill" and the line item veto?  What was Al Gore doing?  The fact
was he didn't have the backbone to fight for it (or anything as it turns
out).  

|> overwhelmingly leftist, socialist agenda.  As far as getting his own party
|> holding him back, the fact is he was driving in a leftist direction.  I feel
|> Gramm driving the presidency in a conservative/libertarian direction would
|> be FAR better than DOle's "moderate" give-in pattern, Dole being much more
|> susseptible to "tug", as you state below.

But it depends on who's tugging him.  Gramm might be better to offset
a Dem congress.  But with a GOP controlled congress, Gramm might do more
as Senate President.  I don't think Gramm can win the presidency right
now.  He's too unlikeable if you disagree with him.  I think Lamar
Alexander has the best chance of winning if what you want is a GOP
justice department and veto power.  

|> Yes, but do you honestly think "cave-in Dole" won't sell far more, let alone
|> even what gets proposed.

Which liberals is he going to cave to, Gingrich?

|> believe Gramm will hold more core beliefs, and get farther.   No one wants a
|> repeat of the Perot split.

It's easier for stalwarts to get more done as legislators than as
presidents.  They don't have to appeal to the whole nation all at
once and thus don't have to be wishy washy.  I don't see Dole 
threatening to veto many bills from a GOP congress.  At the same time
a moderate president has more electability and may make it easeir for
people to vote GOP in general.

|> >need my vote to win.   The probability it would even effect the race
|> >in a tight 50-50 split is still something like 10 to the minus 8 power.
|> >(I can post the calculation if you want).  Even multiplied up to
|> >1 to 2 percent the numbers do not improve that much.  Hell, if there
|> >weren't an LP I'd probably not bother to vote at all in many races.

|> ALways vote.  ALways, always, always.  At the least, you counteract an
|> uninformed welfare cheat that was given a donut to vote for a liberal.

Sure.  But your vote has far more importance as a statement about
what you really want than as a decider in any given race, since the odds
are so small that your vote will actually decide a race.

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