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liberals support civil liberties?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (hhuang@MIT.EDU)
Mon Sep 26 10:25:51 1994

From: hhuang@MIT.EDU
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 10:22:31 -0400
To: libertarians@MIT.EDU

	Were it only that most U.S. liberals were in fact
predominantly in favor of civil liberties.  But consider the following
examples of regulations many left-liberal folks support:

Discrimination law (subsumes harassment law):
	infringement on freedom of association
Speech codes/anti-porn ordinances:
	infringement of speech and expression
FDA regulations:
	infringements on speech, drug liberty, and general freedom to
		do with one's body what one wishes
Consumer protection:
	infringement on speech and general right to buy what you want
Anti-NAFTA/eminent domain:
	infringement on the right of businesses to leave the country
Gun control:
	infringement on right to bear arms
Immigration control (a welfare state defaults to anti-immigration
		measures; California is a prime example):
	infringement on freedom of emigration
	
	Then, there are strange cases associated with the Clinton
Administration such as:

Favoring going to war over Bosnia (and Haiti)
Anti-smoking propaganda
Waco (if the Branch Davidians had been a leftist commune, we'd
	never hear the end of it)
Clipper chip

	I once heard of a distinction that I liked -- a liberal
obliges, a conservative prohibits:

	A liberal says, "You are obligated to do this."
	A conservative says, "You are prohibited from doing that."

	You might wonder, "Well, what's the difference?  Either way,
laws are being passed that curtail your liberty."  That's precisely
the point.

-Han

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