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Re: keberos authentication with tacacs ?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sam Hartman)
Sat May 4 13:13:01 1996

To: Yves Touchette <yvest@server0.accent.net>
Cc: Sam Hartman <hartmans@MIT.EDU>, kerberos@MIT.EDU
From: Sam Hartman <hartmans@MIT.EDU>
Date: 04 May 1996 12:58:43 -0400
In-Reply-To: Yves Touchette's message of Sat, 4 May 1996 03:15:19 -0400 (EDT)

>>>>> "Yves" == Yves Touchette <yvest@server0.accent.net> writes:

    Yves> You read me when you metion cisco ...  we are setting up a
    Yves> dial-up isdn pool on cisco 4700 with mbri modules ...

    Yves> We are also changing all the authentication process we use
    Yves> because or network is getting pretty big and a central
    Yves> kerberos db with slave server's is a solution that make's
    Yves> the most sense ...

	Why?  Be aware that Kerberos does *not* perform load balancing
with slave servers; they are used for increased availability only.  If
the master is up, it is used for all requests.

    Yves> Do you think that the fact that i am using switched ethernet
    Yves> protects me against packet sniffer ... What other security
    Yves> issue should i be concern about the fact that the
    Yves> userid/passwd are send in clear text ?

	I don't know your network topology well enough to comment.  It
probably provides a sufficient degree of protection for an ISP.  Just
make sure it isn't easy for a user or customer to get root on a
machine betwen the Cisco and the TACACS server.


    Yves> Thanks alot,

    Yves> Yvest Network Operation Group yvest@total.net
    Yves> http://www.total.net Total Net.  Montreal,Ca.

    Yves> A baby is God's opinion that the world should go on.  --
    Yves> Carl Sandburg

    Yves> On 3 May 1996, Sam Hartman wrote:

    >> >>>>> "Yves" == Yves Touchette <yvest@accent.net> writes:
    >> 
    Yves> Anybody could help me out setting a tacacs server that
    Yves> authenticate via keberos ?
    >>  You can't really do this.  The TACACS protocol only supports
    >> cleartext password authentication, so it cannot be
    >> authenticated with Kerberos.
    >> 
    >> This may not be what you mean; you can check users' passwords
    >> against a Kerberos database using a modified TACACS server.
    >> You really shouldn't do that for security reasons, but you may
    >> need/want to do it anyway in some configurations.  Be aware
    >> that you will lose many of the advantages of Kerberos in many
    >> environments if you choose this option.  (Sadly, this is one of
    >> a limited selection of options with production versions of
    >> Cisco software; the future looks brighter, however.)
    >> 
    >> Why don't you describe what you're really trying to do and give
    >> enough details about your environment that we know what
    >> security risks are reasonable for you and what options you
    >> have.Do you consider your network secure?  How soon do you need
    >> an solution?  What hardware/software do you have?
    >> 
    >> 
    >> 
    Yves> Yvest Network Operation Group yvest@total.net
    Yves> http://www.total.net Total Net.  Montreal,Ca.
    >>
    Yves> A baby is God's opinion that the world should go on.  --
    Yves> Carl Sandburg
    >>



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