[66745] in Cypherpunks
Re: Public Schools
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (attila)
Sun Sep 29 00:31:53 1996
From: attila <attila@primenet.com>
Reply-To: attila <attila@primenet.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 96 02:56:38 +0000
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
In-Reply-To: <199609290153.UAA00354@smoke.suba.com>
In <199609290153.UAA00354@smoke.suba.com>, on 09/28/96
at 08:53 PM, snow <snow@smoke.suba.com> said:
= .A person going by the name Attila said:
= .> There is a solution. Trade Schools,
= .> The problem was simple: we have only the now retiring
= .>toolmakers who make it all possible. engineering graduates will not
= .>not observe the manufacturing floors since it is above their
= .>dignity to roll of their sleeves.
= . I knew too many engineering students to believe this. I knew one (Civil
= .Engineering) who had been a Paramedic, he wanted grease and dirt on his
= .hands, it may be harder to wash off, but much easier to sleep off.
= .
he's the exception, not the rule. I paid my way through
Harvard as a tool and die maker --if the engineers had to make
some of the crap they designed, they would design them that way
again.
= .> if engineers were required to serve internships in the shops,
= .>as doctors are required to intern in a hospital (and the really good
= .>ones, the top of the class, choose what I call meat-wagon wards
= .>(large city ER and trauma units), the U.S. would be a far healthier
= .>and competitive environment.
= . No argument there.
= .> I know, why the meat wagon wards with their pressure and
= .>unreasonable hours? experience, anything and everything comes
= .>through those doors every night, and it goes off the scale on the
= .>weekends...
= . Hell, that desciribes the ER I used to work in, and it was in a
= .college town. (Yes, I do have a sorted job history. Everything from a strip
= .joint dj. to working as a designer for a Big 7 Accounting firm).
= .> = .It would also seem to
= .> = .follow that if parents were spending their own money (or
= .> = .perceived it as their own money) that they would take a greater
= .> =.interest in their childrens education.
= .> =.
= .> ...if they were smart enough to start about age 3. the
= . Better late than never.
unfortunately, the conservative child care people believe
the pattern may be irretrievably set by the age is six. you need
to start with the child from the gate with the nuture --reduces
fear of abandonment, &c. and encourage trust so they will go to
others without a tantrum, &c.
President Hillary, of course, believes in *her* global
village with *her* central government dictating for all
--community raising a generation of raison heads! --from day 1!
= .> themselves after dark. (I do admit that one good scream would
= .>have an extremely well-armed about to be posse out the door in 15
= .>seconds or less... --and, I doubt there would be prisoners!)
you want a concealed weapon permit? --just go register.
= . In my neighborhood, screams are so common (mostly from kids playing,
= .and yes, I do check as often as I can) that most people don't bother to
= .check.
= .
a scream of terror is a different scream. besides, we have 6
families in our 8-10 acre section --33 kids between us. and our
air raid siren would be howling like an inbound kamikaze.
= .Very different worlds. My wife and I are probably the only ones who
= ._don't_ watch TV. We have 2, plus 5 computers, and 5 or 6 book shelves. The
= .TV's were free, so were 2 of the computers.
we're light on computers at the moment --only 3, and I need 3
more. bookshelves? 30 feet, floor to ceiling, packed. trying
save enough to get one of the 7 CD rom up in parallel deals for
the 8G freeBSD fileserver --OS/2 (merlin) workstations. stuff is
expensive, even when you buy right.
well, out here, probably 20% of the families did not have a
TV; I gave the "message" one Sunday a couple months ago and
the percentage has gone up. those who did have TVs have them
severely restricted for content --there are no R movies
tolerated --and most do not bring in a commercial signal --VCRs.
the population base is changing with an influx of non-Mormons
in town, so R rated are showing up at the theatres and video
rentals in town.
the police visible prescence is effective --a force of 50+ for
a population base < 25,000, plus the county sherrif cars and the
state police. Curfew is 10pm weekdays for minors --and they
enforce it, big time. midnight Fri/Sat.
= .> a very unusual situation --but I live in rural southern utah
= .>where the regional middle school of 1200 can support 4 bands,
= .>
= .>and, where an average ward (100-150 families) will have at
= .>least a dozen Eagle scouts.
= .> proves your point, I guess...
...idle hands are the devil's workshop. you want good solid
kids, you start from the gate and keep 'em busy: home, neighbors,
school, church, etc.
yes, you work hard for it --every day. I have 5, and it
can be a real task with internecine warfare and all that good
stuff. It starts at home and goes the route. there is no dead
time on a streetcorner, or at friends house without a parent home.
they do not date until they are 16 --in groups. boys and
girls --the same rules.
= . Prove? I don't know, but it is some pretty solid evidense.
= .Communism at it's finest. A community of people who work
= .together and take care of each other voluntarily for the common
= .good. <hee hee>
good thing you added the <hee hee>
--half redneck republicans
--half further right
clinton, let alone communism, is a fighting word....
conspiracy theory is live and well. as far as anyone around
here is concerned, Waco and Ruby Ridge were to establish a
need for gun control, militia bans, privacy abridgements, CDA,
crypto bans, &c. opinion on the government in the midst of OKC
and TWA is moving into the positive range --and there is
absolutely no doubt of Bubba's cocaine habit or the stink of
Mena airport.
BTW, the education level is way above the national average;
not very many dummies out here. we do have an advantage: BYU is
$3K/semester for LDS members, and you need 3.7 to 4.0 to get in.
schools --if YOU don't support them, you and we don't have
them!
--
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. . . .
What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not
warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of
resistance?. . .The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to
time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
--Thomas Jefferson, regarding anarchy.
