[66101] in Cypherpunks
Re: The GAK Momentum is Building...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Black Unicorn)
Sat Sep 21 23:13:50 1996
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Black Unicorn <unicorn@schloss.li>
To: jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com>
Cc: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>, Lucky Green <shamrock@netcom.com>,
cypherpunks@toad.com
In-Reply-To: <199609220058.RAA10810@mail.pacifier.com>
On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, jim bell wrote:
> At 01:58 PM 9/20/96 -0400, Black Unicorn wrote:
> >On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Dale Thorn wrote:
> >> My comment: Once the big Corp.'s get used to the new game, they'll put
> >> the non-critical stuff out there for Mr. Freeh, and for the really
> >> secret data, if the cops confiscate anything they can't read, the Corp.
> >> security will put it off on a fall-guy, even as high as the CEO if
> >> necessary. I just wanna see one case where a federal judge will try to
> >> bleed a big company for contempt for "refusing" to decode and hand over
> >> some ostensibly encrypted data. Matter of fact, there are probably cases
> >> similar to this that have already been through the appeals courts.
> >
> >Several. Most involve foreign banks refusing to turn over records to U.S.
> >courts. Most result in powerfully large fines imposed on banks, often on
> >a per diem basis.
>
>
> But as usual, you ignore the obvious solution to the problem. Let's suppose
> the amount of the fine is set at $1000 per day. Actuarially, this works out
> to be the interest (at 5% per year) on $7.3 million dollars in principle.
> In other words, if you can eliminate the fine for less than $7.3 million,
> you're better off doing it.
Fines tend to run in the ten thousands per diem.
>
> Naturally, you won't even consider the possibility of going outside the
> system to solve a problem.
I hardly want to get back into this debate. I live outside the system. I
do not murder people.
. The rest of us notice that there are probably
> thousands of terminally-ill people who would gladly act as a human kamikaze
> and get rid of any judge inclined to impose such a fine, for a payment of 1%
> of this principle amount to a family member or loved one, leaving 99%
> available for the few other judges foolish enough to basically commit
> suicide by taking up a futile gesture.
>
> This kind of operation is best arranged by what might be described as an
> "insurance company," which will divide the risk among client companies until
> everyone learns what the score really is. It wouldn't take long before no
> such fines are ever imposed.
>
> But nah, this is much too complex for you.
Coming from someone willing to prey on the despair of termanally ill
individuals this stands as a compliment.
Again, I propose that Mr. Bell would be the first to go in "his" system.
>
> Jim Bell
> jimbell@pacifier.com
>
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