[13327] in Cypherpunks
Nalbandian's email address
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (bill.stewart@pleasantonca.ncr.com )
Sat May 7 04:47:51 1994
Date: Sat, 7 May 94 04:44:34 EDT
From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart@pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204)
To: jim%lassie@netcom.com, lassie!jim%lassie@netcom.com, postmaster@netcom.com
Cc: cypherpunks@toad.com, root@netcom.com
Jim Nalbandian, who's recently been posting to cypherpunks,
has a signature line that contains a couple of *severely* non-portable
addresses; I have no way to tell whether my email to him worked
on the netcomish address. Don't know about his spelling errors,
but his addressing errors distinctly *are* international....
I got an interesting bouncegram from Namibia when I tried using
the N7SZS@K7BUC.AZ.US.NA address - it's some sort of Amateur packet radio
address, which has a syntax similar to Internet addresses but
rips off the .na namespace (I thought I hadn't seen it before,
but I don't keep up with the .US domain, so I tried it, along with
K7BUC@AZ.US skipping the .na). I've attacked the bouncegram below.
Could one of the administrators at Netcom please help him
put a useable return address in his .signature?
Thanks; Bill Stewart
wcs@anchor.att.com
bill.stewart@pleasantonca.ncr.com
> --
> * Spelling errors are intentional and international *
> Jim Nalbandian netcomsv!lassie!jim%lassie@netcom.com
> Tempe, Arizona, USA N7SZS@K7BUC.AZ.US.NA
> No free man shall ever be de-barred the use of arms. The strongest
> reason for the people to retain there right to keep and bear arms
> is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in
> government. <-------- Thomas Jefferson --
>
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From: MAILER-DAEMON@grimsel.frcs.alt.za
To: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart@pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204)
Subject: Mail to N7SZS@k7buc.az.us.na
Reply-To: paul@frcs.alt.za
Status: RO
You recently sent mail to N7SZS@k7buc.az.us.na.
This was routed to grimsel.frcs.alt.za, en route to Namibia. However,
this machine has no record of the host in question. If you think that
this host really does exist, and is a machine in Namibia, could you
please send mail to the administrator of the .NA domain, Dr Eberhard
Lisse (el@lisse.na).
However, the usual reason for such erroneous addressing is the use of
packet-radio addresses across the Internet. Packet radio users have
decided to use NA (the ISO code for Namibia) for North America. This
incurs great expense, as the mail travels half-way around the planet,
over expensive and over-crowded links that are paid for by comparatively
poor people in semi-developed countries. If this is the case, please
make a _large_ mental nore never to do this again, and tell all your
friends not to as well. Packet radio addresses are _not_ Internet
addresses, even if they look the same. You may wish to try routing
your mail via "gate.ampr.org" (eg: user%site.na@gate.ampr.org). Do
_not_ send packet-radio addressing queries to me, as I do not know
anything about this network, other than the headaches that it causes
for me.
Another problem that occurs less frequently is mis-spelling addresses
for sites in New Zeeland (.NZ). If this is the problem, you will have
to re-send the mail to the relevant site, with the correct address.
We have also seen the occasional message escaping from JANET in the UK,
which has a reversed addressing scheme, addressed to machines in Napoli,
which come out as "user@it.whatever.na". There is no easy answer to
this one (other than teaching the rest of the world to drive on the left).
The mail headers from your message appear below, sans the body, to save
some bandwidth. If you have further queries, please direct them to me,
paul@frcs.alt.za. This message was generated automatically, so please do
not feel that you absolutely _have_ to reply with a "mea culpa" message.
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> From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (bill.stewart@pleasantonca.ncr.com +1-510-484-6204)
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> To: N7SZS@k7buc.az.us.na
> Subject: flame return
