[11817] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet

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Re: Mr. Green Card makes the Times

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Thu Apr 21 04:03:52 1994

From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: lisa@access.digex.net (Lisa Losito)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 23:33:12 -0500 (CDT)
Cc: koreth@hyperion.com, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9404201633.A20669-0100000@access1.digex.net> from "Lisa Losito" at Apr 20, 94 04:30:23 pm

> 
> 
> On Wed, 20 Apr 1994, Steven Grimm wrote:
> 
> > What would happen if a bunch of site owners got together and billed that
> > law firm for the disk space and bandwidth/phone time eaten by the ad?
> > Getting a few thousand bills for two cents each might dissuade them from
> > trying it again. 
> 
> If they insist on suing indirect.com, then maybe a bunch of networks 
> should get together until the combined bill is more than than the 
> $250,000 they want.  Maybe indirect should give them all their 
> email...if they want to spend time reading 30,000+ hate mail messages for 
> 5 real leads, let 'em.
> 
> I was pretty angry that the depiction in the Times article was that 
> everyone objected to the commerical speech, when it was more a time and 
> manner objection. After all, in the end do we care if its XYZ widgets or 
> if its some guy's ramblings about the apocalypse?  5,000+ of anything is 
> wasteful and irritating, and a misuse of Usenet.
> 
> If stuff like this keeps up, I guess Canter and Seigel haven't figured 
> out that sites can choose not to carry unmoderated newsgroups or Usenet at 
> all, and cut off their "wonder market."  I hate to see yet more ammunition 
> about how this stuff needs to be regulated to protect "the interests 
> of society."
> 
> and they look so damn smug in the picture too.  Like they're the first 
> people to think about commercializing the Internet. ;)

This problem can be dealt with easily.  Cripes, can't people see a
commercial way out of this mess?

Network providers simply add a clause that damage done to the system as a
consequence of their actions is the responsibility of the customer.

Funny that MCS has had one of those for, oh, something like 4-5 years now?

Now Indirect gets a problem (crashed disk, etc) when the consequences of
the Spamming come home to roost, but C&S get a HUGE BILL.  They won't pull
<that> one again -- the cost per positive response is too damn high!

If the cost per positive response is more than their fee (ie: more than
any significant part of $100) then that'll be that.

It is in the interest of the providers to put this kind of clause in their
contracts, because who (as a provider) wants to be spammed and have their
system blasted for days with the hatemail?

Society and commerce team up once again to provide an effective solution.  

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