[11187] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS and the CIX - have they really connected?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Hawkinson)
Thu Mar 24 13:54:05 1994
From: John Hawkinson <jhawk@panix.com>
To: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 16:21:07 -0500 (EST)
Cc: NORDLUND@ukanvm.cc.ukans.edu, karl@mcs.com, com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <m0pjGtG-000BZmC@mercury.mcs.com> from "Karl Denninger" at Mar 22, 94 06:33:45 pm
> From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
> > >In other words, you take <packet> data and convert the format.
> > >My, doesn't that look an awful lot like using SOCKS to evade the
> > >same issue.
> > >
> > >You didn't source the packets. Your customers did. That still
> > >loses in my interpretation, and I suspect that of many other CIX
> > >members (but I don't presume to speak for them).
> > >
> > If my customer is using my IP number from a Shell account to do a
> > Telnet, is that different from my customer using my IP number from
> > my terminal server running SLIP? We swallow the camel and gag on
> > the fly!
> The fact is, there is nothing more or less legit about this distinction
> than any other. If you feel that the CIX is somehow "wrong headed" then
> form your own trade association, sign up the members, and do your think.
> If it makes sense for MCSNet to join I will do so. If it does not then I
> won't.
This is all true, but it overlooks one very important thing.
If I sell users shell accounts (that includes compiler access), but
I don't intend to sell them IP access, I don't pay the CIX fee.
If I sell them PPP accounts, I pay the CIX fee.
But what happens when my users start using their shell accounts with
term or socks or whatever, without my knowledge, to give themselves
IP access. Am I morally obliged to pay the CIX fee? To turn it around
even more, what happens if I say that that behavior is expressly
prohibited? Is there any way I can actually stop them? There may be
elaborate statistics I can gather on the subject to try and guess who
the offenders are, but how can I really stop it?
More food for thought...
--
John Hawkinson
jhawk@panix.com
