[11128] in Commercialization & Privatization of the Internet
Re: ANS and the CIX - have they really connected?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Tue Mar 22 06:47:31 1994
From: karl@mcs.com (Karl Denninger)
To: luce@next.duq.edu (Douglas Luce)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 00:37:53 -0600 (CST)
Cc: com-priv@psi.com
In-Reply-To: <Pine.3.89.9403200348.O23602-0100000@irc.net> from "Douglas Luce" at Mar 20, 94 03:56:07 am
Hi Doug,
> I used to think that data packets originated from the minds and fingers of
> my customers. Karl has pointed out that data is not really data until it
> the IP headers are welded on.
>
> Thank goodness that I service all my routable customers with only Novell,
> Appletalk, DECnet, and OSI. I don't have to worry about these sticky
> issues of origination, since all the IP traffic comes from my hosts
> directly (I charge a $1/year fee for performing the IP session
> conversion).
In other words, you take <packet> data and convert the format. My, doesn't
that look an awful lot like using SOCKS to evade the same issue.
You didn't source the packets. Your customers did. That still loses in my
interpretation, and I suspect that of many other CIX members (but I don't
presume to speak for them).
The <protocol> isn't the point. The fact that you're routing <packets> for
them is, and that they originate those packets.
> The CIX is not a monolithic creature of good. It glosses over some hairy
> parts, and avoids dealing with other hairy parts entirely. Whether there
> can be an effective arrangement without some of these ommissions is
> unclear. Some of these issues may indeed be without solution. Trying to
> debate them, even with a clear head, could be the cause of much anguish.
>
> Be careful. The ox you gore may be your own.
>
> --
> Doug Luce
> Telerama Public Access Internet
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