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Re: Apple Petition
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Osborne, Bruce W)
Tue Aug 7 07:42:53 2012
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2012 11:34:15 +0000
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From: "Osborne, Bruce W" <bosborne@liberty.edu>
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Jim,
Many of those young iPad and iPhone users need to use the Higher Ed enterprise wireless network too.
Apple markets AirPlay and Bonjour for these devices too.
Bruce Osborne
Network Engineer
IT Network Services
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rizzo, Jim [mailto:JRIZZO@providence.edu]
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Apple Petition
I love this discussion, because, at least for the time being, Apple doesn't need to worry about enterprise customers. Their business is doing just fine as it stands, and they make most of the money off iPads, iPods, and iPhones, not OS X and Macs.
How much would concentrating on the enterprise customers cause them to lose focus on the consumer market? That could hurt them.
Just sayingİ
Jim
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On 8/6/12 5:58 AM, "Osborne, Bruce W" <bosborne@liberty.edu> wrote:
>Apple needs to realize that a large portion of that early consumer
>market is attending a college or university with an enterprise network.
>
>Bruce Osborne
>Network Engineer
>IT Network Services
>
>(434) 592-4229
>
>LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
>Training Champions for Christ since 1971
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Koerber, Jeff [mailto:jkoerber@towson.edu]
>Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 6:54 PM
>Subject: Re: Apple Petition
>
>They also have to remember that once people graduate and get into the
>business world, PCs are used more often because Apple isn't enterprise
>friendly at all. I guess they are successfully targeting the consumer
>market, but if they did a few things here and there, they would get
>even more business customers.
>
>Jeff Koerber
>Towson University
>Student Computing Services
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Aug 3, 2012, at 11:23 AM, "Mike Malsed"
><mike.malsed@CLAREMONTMCKENNA.EDU> wrote:
>
>> I had to chuckle, Bruce. I don't think there are many AT Apple who
>>remember the Apple ][ days - that thing was amazingly open and
>>expandable. Heck, that's one of the platforms I learned to program
>>assy code (who does THAT anymore? LOL) built a wire-wrap expansion
>>board (who does THAT anymore?
>> LOL)
>>
>> Nah, I honestly believe that those responsible for the Apple ]['s are
>> either retired (it WAS 30+ years ago), moved away (Woz, etc.), have
>> no influence anymore, or have bought into the "new" philosophy.
>>
>> I agree with you, though. Get people "infected" early and they're
>>yours forever.
>> . . although I'm one who got disinfected. . . but then I was
>>cross-infected. I worked on CP/M, Apple, and a couple of others. I
>>didn't touch an Intel based machine until the 90s. . .
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:03:05 +0000, Osborne, Bruce W
>> <bosborne@liberty.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> The older people at Apple realize that much of their success as a
>>> company
>> came from their educational strategy in the Apple ][ days.
>>>
>>> If you get people ex[posed to your product early and in a positive
>>> manner,
>> you have a customer for life.
>>>
>>> Bruce Osborne
>>> Network Engineer
>>> IT Network Services
>>>
>>> (434) 592-4229
>>>
>>> LIBERTY UNIVERSITY
>>> Training Champions for Christ since 1971
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mike Malsed [mailto:mike.malsed@CLAREMONTMCKENNA.EDU]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 1:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Petition
>>>
>>> I did sign it, but I don't have any optimism regarding any type of
>>>success.
>>>
>>> Look at Apple's history. They have consistently made products
>>> without any
>> consideration of management OR removed products or features that made
>> any kind of management easier.
>>>
>>> Their philosophy is pretty much anti-management.
>>>
>>> I signed, but I'm a pessimist when it comes to Apple doing anything
>>> for us,
>> managers.
>>>
>>> When it comes to making amazing products for consumers? Oh yeah.
>>>
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