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Re: Imaging Student Computers

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andy Voelker)
Wed Mar 21 08:27:58 2012

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Thank you for the detailed response, Christina!  I have been trained on UIU=
 before, and unfortunately we don't have a license for it.  I checked out o=
ur license agreement with Microsoft.  We do provide Windows 7 Ultimate for =
the students but the agreement requires they purchase the official media an=
d license key ($15).  That isn't too bad, but it is sold at our bookstore, =
which is a good distance from our shop.  It means the students have to make=
 another stop and lay down some money.  My main focus for imaging is to gai=
n speed of return without increasing cost.  Sometimes just getting a studen=
t to back up their data before a reformat can increase the total time by a =
day or two, so getting them to do more will increase that as well.  I'd lik=
e to be able to sell the discs at our shop, but I think the bookstore would=
n't like that.  We could just image it and put in their key when they bring=
 it in.  Something to think about I guess.....

I'm going to do some timed tests with our current setup and run some number=
s against imaging.  I'll post what I find.

Thanks again,

-- Andy Voelker
Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons
Western Carolina University
Be sure to check out the WCU TechTips Podcast at http://www.youtube.com/Wes=
ternCarolinaU!!
Check the status of your IT requests at any time at http://help.wcu.edu/ !

From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Christina=
 Webster
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 3:37 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Imaging Student Computers

We don't image student computers because our software licensing doesn't inc=
lude students, so we have to rebuild from scratch with their disks.  Howeve=
r, I use UIU from Big Bang ( http://www.uiu4you.com/ ) to make hardware ind=
ependent images for all the faculty and staff PCs on campus.  With this, I =
have an imaging computer that is a few years old to make all the base image=
s, which I package via Ghost.  Then I add the UIU software and repackage.  =
We use Ghost to package and deploy our software.  But I believe it also wor=
ks with Windows imaging software.

Basically, we just make two images: one model specific (the base image that=
 I regularly update), and the other is the UIU image that gets deployed.  I=
f your software license allows, I suggest that you just reimage all the stu=
dent computers with your "supported" OS - or rebuild them with their own di=
sks.  We service a large number of models, but have hardware and OS specifi=
cs to what we consider a supported model.  For the faculty and staff, when =
we reimage their PCs, they all get Windows 7, 64-bit.  Now, all the student=
 machines may not be able to handle a 64-bit image, so you'd have to create=
 a 32-bit image too.  But if you kept it to Windows 7, then you'd only have=
 two images to update - and you'd only have to update the images a couple t=
imes of the year.

We also, encourage students to increase their RAM on  older, slower machine=
s.  We show them how to research what RAM they need - Crucial has a memory =
tool that can be downloaded, which will scan their machine, tell them what =
type of RAM they need, show them how many DIMMs they have, and what their c=
urrent RAM allotment is - and then we guide them on how to install it.  We =
don't install it for them, but they can come and do it at the helpdesk, and=
 borrow our tools.

You can get a 30-day trial download from the UIU website, and as long as yo=
u update the driver package regularly, it works well.  On the newest models=
 of PCs, you may need to get and install some drivers post deployment.  I o=
nly had to do that with our Lenovos that were the newest models, and shippe=
d from Lenovo.  On all our older PCs, I didn't have to get any drivers, exc=
ept for a 6-year old Dell model that wanted the sound driver updated.

Our images include Kaspersky, which is installed and turned off before the =
image is packaged, and then turned on after deployment - otherwise, it brea=
ks the image.  We also have a lot of other software installed on the image,=
 including Adobe products, Office, and pieces of Freeware.

Good luck, and if you try it, let me know  how it goes,

~ Christina
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Andy Voelker <avoelker@email.wcu.edu<mailto=
:avoelker@email.wcu.edu>> wrote:
I'm doing some research on imaging student computers and wanted to get peop=
les' weigh-in.  Here is our situation:

-          Students bring their own computers.  They bring what they can af=
ford and we service whatever they bring.  We have standards, but they are v=
ery... shall we say... accommodating.  This means that we service 83279423 =
different brands and 8907248928749837283 different models.

-          We provide Microsoft Office for all students.  We also provide S=
ymantec antivirus (which will hopefully change soon)

-          Currently we are making slipstream windows discs with all servic=
e packs and most updates included.  We then dump this on to a high speed fl=
ash drive and install it from there.

-          We then install the operating system, get any drivers off devid.=
info<http://devid.info>, run the office installer, and the antivirus instal=
ler

-          Finally, for all those additional pieces of freeware we run a st=
andardized Ninite package.  Done.

-          We probably perform about 6 reformats per week, average.

This process doesn't take too long, but I'm sure it could be a lot better. =
 The problem is making a generic image that will run well on 89072489287498=
37283 different models of computer.

My questions are:

is it worthwhile to upkeep generic images for Windows 7 32-bit, 7 64-bit, V=
ista 32-bit, Vista 64-bit, and XP?

What is your imaging solution?

Are the generic images as stable and well performed as a clean format?

-- Andy Voelker
avoelker@email.wcu.edu<mailto:avoelker@email.wcu.edu>
Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons
Western Carolina University
Be sure to check out the WCU TechTips Podcast at http://www.youtube.com/Wes=
ternCarolinaU!!
Check the status of your IT requests at any time at http://help.wcu.edu/ !


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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you=
 for the detailed response, Christina!&nbsp; I have been trained on UIU bef=
ore, and unfortunately we don&#8217;t have a license for it.&nbsp; I checke=
d out our license agreement with Microsoft.&nbsp; We do provide Windows 7 U=
ltimate for the students but the agreement requires they purchase the offic=
ial media and license key ($15).&nbsp; That isn&#8217;t too bad, but it is =
sold at our bookstore, which is a good distance from our shop.&nbsp; It mea=
ns the students have to make another stop and lay down some money.&nbsp; My=
 main focus for imaging is to gain speed of return without increasing cost.=
&nbsp; Sometimes just getting a student to back up their data before a refo=
rmat can increase the total time by a day or two, so getting them to do mor=
e will increase that as well.&nbsp; I&#8217;d like to be able to sell the d=
iscs at our shop, but I think the bookstore wouldn&#8217;t like that.&nbsp;=
 We could just image it and put in their key when they bring it in.&nbsp; S=
omething to think about I guess&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";=
color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I&#8=
217;m going to do some timed tests with our current setup and run some numb=
ers against imaging.&nbsp; I&#8217;ll post what I find.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri=
","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:#1F497D'>Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11=
.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- Andy Voelker<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Manager of Student Computing i=
n the Technology Commons<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>W=
estern Carolina University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'=
>Be sure to check out the WCU TechTips Podcast at <a href=3D"http://www.you=
tube.com/WesternCarolinaU">http://www.youtube.com/WesternCarolinaU</a>!!<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Check the status of your IT =
requests at any time at <a href=3D"http://help.wcu.edu/">http://help.wcu.ed=
u/</a> !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.=
ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christina Webster<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, Marc=
h 20, 2012 3:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b=
> Re: Imaging Student Computers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic =
Sans MS";color:#333399'>We don't image student computers because our softwa=
re licensing doesn't include students, so we have to rebuild from scratch w=
ith their disks. &nbsp;However, I use UIU from Big Bang (</span> <a href=3D=
"http://www.uiu4you.com/">http://www.uiu4you.com/</a>&nbsp;)<span style=3D'=
font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333399'>&nbsp;to make hardware independe=
nt images for all the faculty and staff PCs on campus. &nbsp;With this, I h=
ave an imaging computer that is a few years old to make all the base images=
, which I package via Ghost. &nbsp;Then I add the UIU software and repackag=
e. &nbsp;We use Ghost to package and deploy our software. &nbsp;But I belie=
ve it also works with Windows imaging software.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333399'>Basically, we just =
make two images: one model specific (the base image that I regularly update=
), and the other is the UIU image that gets deployed. &nbsp;If your softwar=
e license allows, I suggest that you just reimage all the student computers=
 with your &quot;supported&quot; OS - or rebuild them with their own disks.=
 &nbsp;We service a large number of models, but have hardware and OS specif=
ics to what we consider a supported model. &nbsp;For the faculty and staff,=
 when we reimage their PCs, they all get Windows 7, 64-bit. &nbsp;Now, all =
the student machines may not be able to handle a 64-bit image, so you'd hav=
e to create a 32-bit image too. &nbsp;But if you kept it to Windows 7, then=
 you'd only have two images to update - and you'd only have to update the i=
mages a couple times of the year.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span sty=
le=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333399'>We also, encourage student=
s to increase their RAM on &nbsp;older, slower machines. &nbsp;We show them=
 how to research what RAM they need - Crucial has a memory tool that can be=
 downloaded, which will scan their machine, tell them what type of RAM they=
 need, show them how many DIMMs they have, and what their current RAM&nbsp;=
allotment is - and then we guide them on how to install it. &nbsp;We don't =
install it for them, but they can come and do it at the helpdesk, and borro=
w our tools.&nbsp; &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fon=
t-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333399'>You can get a 30-day trial download=
 from the UIU website, and as long as you update the driver package regular=
ly, it works well. &nbsp;On the newest models of PCs, you may need to get a=
nd install some drivers post deployment. &nbsp;I only had to do that with o=
ur Lenovos that were the newest models, and shipped from Lenovo. &nbsp;On a=
ll our older PCs, I didn't have to get any drivers, except for a 6-year old=
 Dell model that wanted the sound driver updated.</span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333399'>Our images =
include Kaspersky, which is installed and turned off before the image is pa=
ckaged, and then turned on after deployment - otherwise, it breaks the imag=
e. &nbsp;We also have a lot of other software installed on the image, inclu=
ding Adobe products, Office, and pieces of Freeware.&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#333399'>Go=
od luck, and if you try it, let me know &nbsp;how it goes,</span><o:p></o:p=
></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'font-family:"C=
omic Sans MS";color:#333399'>~ Christina</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=
=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Andy Voelker &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:avoelker@email.wcu.edu">avoelker@email.wcu.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:=
p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-m=
argin-bottom-alt:auto'>I&#8217;m doing some research on imaging student com=
puters and wanted to get peoples&#8217; weigh-in.&nbsp; Here is our situati=
on:<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin-left:20.25pt'>-<span style=3D'font-siz=
e:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Stud=
ents bring their own computers.&nbsp; They bring what they can afford and w=
e service whatever they bring.&nbsp; We have standards, but they are very&#=
8230; shall we say&#8230; accommodating.&nbsp; This means that we service 8=
3279423 different brands and 8907248928749837283 different models.<o:p></o:=
p></p><p style=3D'margin-left:20.25pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>We provide Micro=
soft Office for all students.&nbsp; We also provide Symantec antivirus (whi=
ch will hopefully change soon)<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin-left:20.25p=
t'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Currently we are making slipstream windows discs wit=
h all service packs and most updates included.&nbsp; We then dump this on t=
o a high speed flash drive and install it from there.<o:p></o:p></p><p styl=
e=3D'margin-left:20.25pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>We then install the operating=
 system, get any drivers off <a href=3D"http://devid.info" target=3D"_blank=
">devid.info</a>, run the office installer, and the antivirus installer<o:p=
></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin-left:20.25pt'>-<span style=3D'font-size:7.0pt=
'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Finally, fo=
r all those additional pieces of freeware we run a standardized Ninite pack=
age.&nbsp; Done.<o:p></o:p></p><p style=3D'margin-left:20.25pt'>-<span styl=
e=3D'font-size:7.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; </span>We probably perform about 6 reformats per week, average.<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-botto=
m-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This process doesn&#8217;t take too=
 long, but I&#8217;m sure it could be a lot better.&nbsp; The problem is ma=
king a generic image that will run well on 8907248928749837283 different mo=
dels of computer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoN=
ormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>My quest=
ions are:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal st=
yle=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>is it worthwhile=
 to upkeep generic images for Windows 7 32-bit, 7 64-bit, Vista 32-bit, Vis=
ta 64-bit, and XP?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>What is=
 your imaging solution?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A=
re the generic images as stable and well performed as a clean format?<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-marg=
in-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- Andy Voelker<o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto'><a href=3D"mailto:avoelker@email.wcu.edu" target=3D"_blank">avoelker@=
email.wcu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Manager of Student Computing in the =
Technology Commons<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Western Carolina University<o:p></o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto'>Be sure to check out the WCU TechTips Podcast at <a href=3D"h=
ttp://www.youtube.com/WesternCarolinaU" target=3D"_blank">http://www.youtub=
e.com/WesternCarolinaU</a>!!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'ms=
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