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Re: ResNet Bandwidth Standards and Shaping too
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter P Morrissey)
Fri Mar 16 11:25:19 2012
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I couldn't get it to work either so I can't comment on the presentation, but I would love to see it.
I can tell you that a number of times over the past year, as recently as December 2011, our packet shaping devices failed and the DMCA violations came flooding in, so our experience does not support the theory that P2P is going away. We deny P2P due to the extra work involved in take down notices, as well as the bandwidth issues. Since we installed our packet shaping device we have been able to offer lots of bandwidth with little if any restriction and do not have to penalize anyone no matter how much they use. Given the continued growth of the use of the Internet in general, and especially video, the need for bandwidth is only going to continue to climb. Stopping P2P has also saved us lots of person hours tracking down DMCA violations. In addition I believe there is a law that says you have to make a reasonable attempt to put in measures to thwart copyright infringement along with education etc. I would add that DPI does not inspect content in any way. In most cases, it can!
't because the P2P connections are encrypted.
If P2P is going away or greatly diminishing, then that is great news. I'm just not seeing it.
Pete M.
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From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Cal Frye
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:00 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: ResNet Bandwidth Standards and Shaping too
The Nanog media uses a plugin that wants me to restart in 32-bit mode,
so I've not viewed the presentation.
We're not concerned about the bandwidth consumption of P2P applications;
we're tired of all the **AA DMCA crap.
We just use a default-deny policy. Our practice is that those requesting
P2P access get it, no questions asked. If they become subject of a valid
DMCA complaint, such access is revoked again.
On 3/16/12 12:18 AM, Jim Warner wrote:
> There is a lot of knashing of teeth over P-2-P. Consider whether you're
> solving today's problem or instead, looking backwards to a problem of a
> few years ago. Dorm room P-2-P just isn't what it used to be. Craig
> Labovitz gave a talk on this at Nanog. Certainly anyone spending large
> amounts of $$ to combat the evils of P2P would want to put a half hour
> into hearing research based on real data.
>
> http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog54/presentations/Tuesday/NANOG_54_03_orth_50_percent.wmv
>
> -jim warner, UC Santa Cruz
>
>
> From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> <mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>] On Behalf Of Cal Frye
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:23 PM
> To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU <mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
> Subject: Re: ResNet Bandwidth Standards and Shaping too.
>
> Hi, Chris,
> On 3/14/12 12:40 PM, Chris Davis wrote:
> > ratio of students to Mbps in bandwidth that was about 4:1.
>
> Agreed. We're at about 6:1, and can almost get away without
> bandwidth managing of any sort. But as you note, we do use our
> Packetlogic to block P2P applications except for those registering
> to opt-in. The Packetlogic is pretty good at permitting game updates
> while blocking general P2P downloads, too.
> >
>
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