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Re: RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Frank Bulk - iName.com)
Sat Jan 22 14:10:42 2011
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What do you understand the legal requirements are for ISPs to follow in =
regards to RIAA notices? KC wrote =E2=80=9Cwe have to comply=E2=80=9D, =
but scanning through the legalese, I haven=E2=80=99t actually read that =
if the subscriber is hosting the content on their own PC that the ISP =
must notify them. Section (g) of =
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000512----00=
0-.html talks about notifying the subscriber if the service provider has =
removed or disabled access to the material, but that=E2=80=99s =
presumably on the service provider=E2=80=99s equipment, not the =
subscriber=E2=80=99s home/business PC.
=20
That said, most ISPs do pass on notification, but I=E2=80=99ve always =
understood that as a courtesy and because the subscriber=E2=80=99s =
actions may violate the service providers own ToS.
=20
Frank
=20
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of =
Benjamin Fielden
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:10 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course
=20
Per our OGC, we also follow the "we're an ISP" model for our students. =
We follow the University specific pieces (HEOA), but otherwise its just =
a connection that they do what they do with. That ensures that we simply =
pass along legal notices and issues as an ISP would, rather than being =
the target directly as an organization.
=20
--
Ben Fielden
Manager of Technology Support
Student Technology Services
Division of Information Technology
http://it.gwu.edu/sts
202-994-2597
=20
Division of Information Technology staff members will NEVER ask for your =
password!
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Frank Bulk <frnkblk@iname.com> wrote:
An ISP has a different legal status to its subscribers than a school has =
to its students. Can you clarifiy?
=20
Frank
=20
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Casey, =
Kathy
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:14 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course
=20
Unfortunately, we are an ISP, so we have to comply; at least we do so =
far. I agree that we should not have to do RIAA=E2=80=99s dirty work =
and that they pursue students more than any other population just =
because they can. IMHO, it is blackmail pure and simple (pay us $3000 =
or we will sue the pants off you), but that=E2=80=99s not what the =
courts say so far.
=20
Thanks!=20
KC ~=C3=B5=C2=BF=C3=B5~
=E2=80=9CWe raise hopes here until they are old enough to fend for =
themselves."
Mike Callahan - Callahan's Crosstime Saloon (Spider Robinson)
=20
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Isac =
Balder
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 7:53 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course
=20
I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice.
=20
I would have to refresh my memory on the current statutes regarding a =
universities "required" due diligence for file sharing but between CALEA =
and somthing else that came out last year I would be very careful in =
formally tying any policy and action to RIAA or any agency sending the =
cease and desist letters.
=20
By framing your actions around a response to agency X you could arguable =
be assisting that agency in their legal action against an individual and =
this is not the place you want to be. You want to remain neutral.
=20
Any actions should be tied to and only reference "corporate" policy. =
The university does not allow file sharing of copyrighted content, for =
which a restrictive license applies to that contents use. (arguably all =
content is copyrighted, it is more a question of a closed copyright =
based on monetary value or an open copyright such as creative commons). =
RIAA notices and DMCA cease and desist letters are merely an external =
notification that copyright content was found on your IP space. But you =
can also become aware of such violations via many other vectors. =
Therefore all actions taken by the university are in response to your =
policy not because of or on behalf of any given agency.
=20
Sure it's a thin argument but I think that distinction should be made.
=20
Now you can simply state that upon receipt of a notification you will =
make the individual aware of the notice and take standard actions as =
part of the policy violation. =20
=20
We effectively ignore the RIAA, let them do there own investigative =
ground work. If they want to sue the individual they can identify the =
individual themselves. We are not an ISP and do not have to turn over =
records.
=20
We notify the individual of the infraction
We report the infraction as a violation of the "acceptable use" and =
"copyright" policies.
=20
We also have P2P blocking enabled via multiple network devices so our =
number of notices is fairly low.
=20
We also recently outsourced the ResNet to a 3rd party ISP, and our =
violations are now limited to the academic and business networks.=20
=20
I.B.
"top posting cause yahoo makes me..."
--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Steven Meads <steven.meads@UWRF.EDU> wrote:
From: Steven Meads <steven.meads@UWRF.EDU>
Subject: [RESNET-L] RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM
We are currently revising our strategy for dealing with RIAA =
notifications. We are considering constructing a Desire to Learn course =
which offenders would be required to "pass."
Right now we aren't providing enough initial education as new students =
arrive on campus, we also are not utilizing any shaping technology to =
curb illegal activity. So as you can imagine we receive lots of these =
letters. We are working on the shaping and education parts, but right =
now we have a significant number of letters to deal with.
The following is a draft of our proposed sanction process:
First Offense: you will receive a letter and you will be required to =
complete D2L course in X
amount of time. Future DMCA violations until X date passes are =
considered offense #1.
Second Offense: you will receive a letter and be required to submit to =
an office visit with the
Student Rights and Responsibilities staff, with a Technology Services =
staff member present.
Your network resources will be revoked in your room and on wireless. =
Future DMCA violations
until this meeting has been completed are considered offense #2.
Third Offense: you will receive a letter and be required to submit to a =
second office visit with
the Student Rights and Responsibilities staff, with a Technology =
Services staff member present.
In addition to the network resources being revoked, your =
W=E2=80=90number (access to network resources) will be turned off for =
the
course of Y months. Future DMCA violations until this meeting has been =
completed are
considered offense #3. Months will be calculated in academic year =
months, including only the
traditional 9 months of fall and spring semesters.
I'm wondering what other schools are doing to enforce policy once =
someone receives a letter, or if anyone is using D2L or Blackboard to =
create an educational courses?
--=20
Steven Meads
Student Support Coordinator
Division of Technology Services
University of Wisconsin-River Falls
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>What do you understand the legal requirements are for ISPs to follow =
in regards to RIAA notices?=C2=A0 KC wrote =E2=80=9Cwe have to =
comply=E2=80=9D, but scanning through the legalese, I haven=E2=80=99t =
actually read that if the subscriber is hosting the content on their own =
PC that the ISP <u>must</u> notify them.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Section (g) of <a =
href=3D"http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_000005=
12----000-.html">http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_=
17_00000512----000-.html</a> talks about notifying the subscriber if the =
service provider has removed or disabled access to the material, but =
that=E2=80=99s presumably on the service provider=E2=80=99s equipment, =
not the subscriber=E2=80=99s home/business PC.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>That said, most ISPs do pass on notification, but I=E2=80=99ve always =
understood that as a courtesy and because the subscriber=E2=80=99s =
actions may violate the service providers own =
ToS.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'>Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D=
'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Benjamin Fielden<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:10 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: RIAA =
Notifications - Possible D2L Course<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Per our OGC, =
we also follow the "we're an ISP" model for our students. We =
follow the University specific pieces (HEOA), but otherwise its just a =
connection that they do what they do with. That ensures that we simply =
pass along legal notices and issues as an ISP would, rather than being =
the target directly as an organization.<br =
clear=3Dall><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>--<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Ben =
Fielden<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Manager of =
Technology Support<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Student =
Technology Services<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Division of Information =
Technology<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"http://it.gwu.edu/sts" =
target=3D"_blank">http://it.gwu.edu/sts</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal>202-994-2597<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Division of =
Information Technology staff members will <span =
style=3D'color:#222222'>NEVER ask for =
your </span>password!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Frank Bulk <<a =
href=3D"mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>An ISP has a different legal =
status to its subscribers than a school has to its students. Can =
you clarifiy?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div=
><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> Resnet Forum [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Casey, Kathy<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 21, 2011 1:14 =
PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L =
Course<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:blue'>Unfortunately, we are an ISP, so we have to comply; =
at least we do so far. I agree that we should not have to do =
RIAA=E2=80=99s dirty work and that they pursue students more than any =
other population just because they can. IMHO, it is blackmail pure =
and simple (pay us $3000 or we will sue the pants off you), but =
that=E2=80=99s not what the courts say so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Monotype =
Corsiva";color:blue'>Thanks!</span></i></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:blue'> <br></span><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans =
MS";color:navy'>KC</span></i><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:blue'> =
~=C3=B5=C2=BF=C3=B5~<br></span><b><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Bradley Hand =
ITC";color:#003399'>=E2=80=9CWe raise hopes here until they are old =
enough to fend for themselves."</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Bradley Hand =
ITC";color:black'>Mike Callahan - Callahan's Crosstime Saloon (Spider =
Robinson)</span></i><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:blue'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.=
5in'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> Resnet Forum [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Isac =
Balder<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 21, 2011 7:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.=
5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><table class=3DMsoNormalTable border=3D0 =
cellspacing=3D0 cellpadding=3D0 width=3D624 =
style=3D'width:6.5in;margin-left:.5in'><tr><td valign=3Dtop =
style=3D'padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p>I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal =
advice.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>I would have to refresh =
my memory on the current statutes regarding a universities =
"required" due diligence for file sharing but between CALEA =
and somthing else that came out last year I would be very careful in =
formally tying any policy and action to RIAA or any agency sending the =
cease and desist letters.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>By =
framing your actions around a response to agency X you could arguable be =
assisting that agency in their legal action against an individual and =
this is not the place you want to be. You want to remain =
neutral.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Any actions should be =
tied to and only reference "corporate" policy. The =
university does not allow file sharing of copyrighted content, for which =
a restrictive license applies to that contents use. (arguably all =
content is copyrighted, it is more a question of a closed copyright =
based on monetary value or an open copyright such as creative commons). =
RIAA notices and DMCA cease and desist letters are merely an =
external notification that copyright content was found on your IP space. =
But you can also become aware of such violations via many other =
vectors. Therefore all actions taken by the university are in =
response to your policy not because of or on behalf of any given =
agency.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Sure it's a thin =
argument but I think that distinction should be =
made.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Now you can simply state =
that upon receipt of a notification you will make the individual aware =
of the notice and take standard actions as part of the policy violation. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>We effectively ignore =
the RIAA, let them do there own investigative ground work. If they =
want to sue the individual they can identify the individual themselves. =
We are not an ISP and do not have to turn over =
records.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>We notify the =
individual of the infraction<o:p></o:p></p><p>We report the infraction =
as a violation of the "acceptable use" and =
"copyright" =
policies.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>We also have P2P =
blocking enabled via multiple network devices so our number of notices =
is fairly low.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>We also recently =
outsourced the ResNet to a 3rd party ISP, and our violations are now =
limited to the academic and business =
networks. <o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>I.B.<br>=
<br>"top posting cause yahoo makes me..."<br><br>--- On =
<b>Thu, 1/20/11, Steven Meads <i><<a =
href=3D"mailto:steven.meads@UWRF.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">steven.meads@UWRF.EDU</a>></i></b> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>From: Steven =
Meads <<a href=3D"mailto:steven.meads@UWRF.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">steven.meads@UWRF.EDU</a>><br>Subject: [RESNET-L] =
RIAA Notifications - Possible D2L Course<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br>Date: Thursday, =
January 20, 2011, 12:45 PM<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>We are =
currently revising our strategy for dealing with RIAA notifications. We =
are considering constructing a Desire to Learn course which offenders =
would be required to "pass."<br><br>Right now we aren't =
providing enough initial education as new students arrive on campus, we =
also are not utilizing any shaping technology to curb illegal activity. =
So as you can imagine we receive lots of these letters. We are working =
on the shaping and education parts, but right now we have a significant =
number of letters to deal with.<br><br>The following is a draft of our =
proposed sanction process:<br><br>First Offense: you will receive a =
letter and you will be required to complete D2L course in X<br>amount of =
time. Future DMCA violations until X date passes are considered offense =
#1.<br><br>Second Offense: you will receive a letter and be required to =
submit to an office visit with the<br>Student Rights and =
Responsibilities staff, with a Technology Services staff member =
present.<br>Your network resources will be revoked in your room and on =
wireless. Future DMCA violations<br>until this meeting has been =
completed are considered offense #2.<br><br>Third Offense: you will =
receive a letter and be required to submit to a second office visit =
with<br>the Student Rights and Responsibilities staff, with a Technology =
Services staff member present.<br>In addition to the network resources =
being revoked, your W<span style=3D'font-family:"Cambria =
Math","serif"'>=E2=80=90</span>number (access to network resources) will =
be turned off for the<br>course of Y months. Future DMCA violations =
until this meeting has been completed are<br>considered offense #3. =
Months will be calculated in academic year months, including only =
the<br>traditional 9 months of fall and spring semesters.<br><br><b>I'm =
wondering what other schools are doing to enforce policy once someone =
receives a letter, or if anyone is using D2L or Blackboard to create an =
educational courses?</b><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- =
<br>Steven Meads<br>Student Support Coordinator<br>Division of =
Technology Services<br>University of Wisconsin-River =
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