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Re: Student Internet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andrew Wolf)
Mon May 16 13:27:51 2016
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The new Cisco 1810w is like the 700W (Non AC) series but it's AC capable. =
Just looking down the road.
If you are looking for a managed service, check out Apogee
http://www.apogee.us/ I see them at the Acuta Conference every year....the=
y seem to be terrific, but I've never used them so I can't say.
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Rocha, Ke=
vin
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 11:33 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Student Internet
Just wireless
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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 11:32 AM -0700, "Amanda Cockrell" <Amanda.Cockrell@=
INDSTATE.EDU<mailto:Amanda.Cockrell@INDSTATE.EDU>> wrote:
Sorry if it was already asked but are you talking wired or wireless or both=
?
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vin
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 2:06 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Student Internet
Sorry I should clarify. I'm just looking for the cost of the monthly servi=
ce not the hardware. That is being covered by another fund.
Thanks...
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On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:26 AM -0700, "Swenson, Chris" <cswenson@curry.ed=
u<mailto:cswenson@curry.edu>> wrote:
While I cannot give you an answer to your question I can give you a bunch o=
f caveats.
We built a residence all for 170 students 2 years ago. Here in New England=
we have to build stuff so it holds up to something like a 8.2 Richter or s=
o earthquake. (I am not a construction guy)
The cost on the wireless is staggering in the opinion of this 58 year old g=
uy. This was the first building we built where the wireless was part of th=
e original project, all others were additions to older buildings.
The additions to the older buildings were part of my tech department costs,=
when the facilities people saw the first cost of the wireless in new const=
ruction their jaws hit the floor. They were not prepared for the cost of th=
e modern AP.
Because of the thick walls we ended up with something like 72 access points=
(Aruba AP-205's) for every 4 or so students. The others covered common are=
as.
I am also finding that I have to revisit my wireless in buildings upgraded =
as recently as 3 or 4 years ago because of inadequate signal penetration as=
we move from the 2.4 g to 5.0 g bands.
Another thing we decided to do was drop adding phone service to every room.=
Finally you will want to get guarantees from the wireless vendor that the=
system works. Students who have to use their data plans for the smart phon=
es are very unhappy campers. Beat up the architect for a decent set of CAD=
drawings that you can submit to the wireless vendor. For some reason they =
are reluctant to give that stuff up in my dealings.
Lastly we currently promise 1 port per pillow. Quite honestly 95 % of some=
very expensive switches are sitting idle. I do not know what the answer is=
on this.
Chris Swenson
Network Manager
Curry College
Milton Massachusetts.
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Rocha, Ke=
vin
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:58 PM
To: RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu<mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu>
Subject: Student Internet
Hello Folks,
We are building a residence hall here at UNTD and are having trouble gettin=
g a decent quote for budgetary estimate purposes for cost per student for I=
nternet access. This hall will have 125 residents. Has anyone done a simi=
lar cost analysis recently for a similar setup.
Thanks for your help.
Kevin Rocha
IT Manager
University of North Texas at Dallas
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The new Cisco 1810w is li=
ke the 700W (Non AC) series but it’s AC capable. Just loo=
king down the road.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you are looking for a =
managed service, check out Apogee
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href=3D"http://www.apo=
gee.us/">http://www.apogee.us/</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> I see them at =
the Acuta
Conference every year….they seem to be terrific, but I’ve neve=
r used them so I can’t say.<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rocha, Kevin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2016 11:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Student Internet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Just wireless <o:p></o:p></p>
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<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Fri, May 13, 2016 =
at 11:32 AM -0700, "Amanda Cockrell" <<a href=3D"mailto:Amanda=
.Cockrell@INDSTATE.EDU" target=3D"_blank">Amanda.Cockrell@INDSTATE.EDU</a>&=
gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Sorry if it was already a=
sked but are you talking wired or wireless or both?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Resnet=
Forum [<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSER=
V.ND.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rocha, Kevin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2016 2:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND=
.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Student Internet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Sorry I should clarify. I'm just looking for the cost of the month=
ly service not the hardware. That is being covered by another fund.&n=
bsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/ghei36">Outlook for Android</a><o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Fri, May 13, 2016 =
at 10:26 AM -0700, "Swenson, Chris" <<a href=3D"mailto:cswenso=
n@curry.edu" target=3D"_blank">cswenson@curry.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While I cannot give you a=
n answer to your question I can give you a bunch of caveats.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We built a residence all =
for 170 students 2 years ago. Here in New England we have to build st=
uff so it holds up to something like a 8.2 Richter or so earthquake.
(I am not a construction guy)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The cost on the wireless =
is staggering in the opinion of this 58 year old guy. This was the fi=
rst building we built where the wireless was part of the original
project, all others were additions to older buildings.</span><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The additions to the olde=
r buildings were part of my tech department costs, when the facilities peop=
le saw the first cost of the wireless in new construction
their jaws hit the floor. They were not prepared for the cost of the moder=
n AP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Because of the thick wall=
s we ended up with something like 72 access points (Aruba AP-205’s) f=
or every 4 or so students. The others covered common areas.</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am also finding that I =
have to revisit my wireless in buildings upgraded as recently as 3 or 4 yea=
rs ago because of inadequate signal penetration as we move
from the 2.4 g to 5.0 g bands.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Another thing we decided =
to do was drop adding phone service to every room. Finally you will w=
ant to get guarantees from the wireless vendor that the system
works. Students who have to use their data plans for the smart phones are =
very unhappy campers. Beat up the architect for a decent set of CAD d=
rawings that you can submit to the wireless vendor. For some reason they ar=
e reluctant to give that stuff up in
my dealings.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lastly we currently promi=
se 1 port per pillow. Quite honestly 95 % of some very expensive swit=
ches are sitting idle. I do not know what the answer is on this.</span><o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chris Swenson</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Network Manager</span><o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Curry College</span><o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Milton Massachusetts.</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p>
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p><=
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size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Resnet=
Forum [<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu">mailto:RESNET-L@listser=
v.nd.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rocha, Kevin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2016 12:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu">RESNET-L@listserv.nd=
.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Student Internet</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Hello Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We are building a residence hall here at UNTD and are having trouble get=
ting a decent quote for budgetary estimate purposes for cost per student fo=
r Internet access. This hall will have 125 residents. Has anyon=
e done a similar cost analysis recently for
a similar setup.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Thanks for your help.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Kevin Rocha <br>
IT Manager<br>
University of North Texas at Dallas<o:p></o:p></p>
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