[41202] in Resnet-Forum
Re: Student Internet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Frank Sweetser)
Mon May 16 08:30:49 2016
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Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 08:30:40 -0400
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From: Frank Sweetser <fs@wpi.edu>
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I think you might be confusing the 205H with the vanilla 205. The 205H
definitely has a few wired ports on the bottom - one copper pass-through, one
PoE, and two non-PoE, IIRC.
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On 05/16/2016 07:26 AM, Osborne, Bruce W (Network Services) wrote:
> Aruba has a similar offering, the AP-103H (802.11n). If you forego the wired
> ports, there is the 802.11ac AP-205H.
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> *Bruce Osborne*
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> *From:*Amanda Cockrell [mailto:Amanda.Cockrell@indstate.edu]
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 3:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Student Internet
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> Provided these are multi-tenant rooms, you might consider the Cisco 700 series
> WAP. The WAP only needs a single data port (saving on the back end) and
> provides 4 ports out (one POE). This is, of course, provided you have a
> controller and POE switches or wall outlet near for powering the device.
> Depending on the amount of rooms and person per room this could be a good
> option for you.
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> At any rate, I would say the cost will highly depend on the building structure
> and design.
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> Amanda Cockrell
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> ISU-OIT-Networking
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> Tirey Hall Room T065
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> *From:*Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Swenson,
> Chris
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 2:54 PM
> *To:* RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU <mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
> *Subject:* Re: Student Internet
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> We are moving off the original question, but yes I agree, buy the best of
> breed for the wireless and then as cheap as possible for the wired port per
> pillow.
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> And to clarify, port per pillow is literal. For the wireless we are now
> assuming 5 devices per students in the load calculation.
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> We were using approximately 3.5 megs per student as a rough calculation
> assuming a high def. video stream per student and maybe 60% of the students
> online at peak capacity.
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> I have not seen how much bandwidth the 4K tv’s will take, but on a go forward
> basis we are assuming the death of traditional cable and migration to all
> streaming.
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> I am on a slow but sure campaign replacing my 22 year old multi-mode fiber
> with single mode and pushing up to 10 gig with the potential of 40 gig in our
> internal network among our 50 buildings.
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> We use Net Equalizers to make sure everyone gets a fair crack at the bandwidth
> across our 2 clustered internet connections.
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> Of course you can also set fair share in the wireless controllers.
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> Chris Swenson
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> Network Manager
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> Curry College
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> Milton Massachusetts.
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> *From:*Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu] *On Behalf Of *Doughty, Marc
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 2:35 PM
> *To:* RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu <mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Student Internet
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>> very expensive switches
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> I'm scared I'll get laughed out of the room, but do the edges in a dorm
> /really/ need Cisco-branded switches? I imagine you could run one fancypants
> switch with PoE to feed the APs and then cascade down to $10/port managed
> gigabit switches
> <http://OU=Test,OU=HighlyManaged,OU=Departments,DC=AD,DC=Brown,DC=Edu> behind
> the ports that users in dorms connect to.
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> - Marc Doughty
> "If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-way vessel."
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> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Swenson, Chris <cswenson@curry.edu
> <mailto:cswenson@curry.edu>> wrote:
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> While I cannot give you an answer to your question I can give you a bunch
> of caveats.
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> We built a residence all for 170 students 2 years ago. Here in New
> England we have to build stuff so it holds up to something like a 8.2
> Richter or so earthquake. (I am not a construction guy)
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> The cost on the wireless is staggering in the opinion of this 58 year old
> guy. This was the first building we built where the wireless was part of
> the original project, all others were additions to older buildings.
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> The additions to the older buildings were part of my tech department
> costs, when the facilities people saw the first cost of the wireless in
> new construction their jaws hit the floor. They were not prepared for the
> cost of the modern AP.
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> Because of the thick walls we ended up with something like 72 access
> points (Aruba AP-205’s) for every 4 or so students. The others covered
> common areas.
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> I am also finding that I have to revisit my wireless in buildings upgraded
> as recently as 3 or 4 years ago because of inadequate signal penetration
> as we move from the 2.4 g to 5.0 g bands.
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> Another thing we decided to do was drop adding phone service to every
> room. Finally you will want to get guarantees from the wireless vendor
> that the system works. Students who have to use their data plans for the
> smart phones are very unhappy campers. Beat up the architect for a decent
> set of CAD drawings that you can submit to the wireless vendor. For some
> reason they are reluctant to give that stuff up in my dealings.
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> Lastly we currently promise 1 port per pillow. Quite honestly 95 % of
> some very expensive switches are sitting idle. I do not know what the
> answer is on this.
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> Chris Swenson
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> Network Manager
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> Curry College
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> Milton Massachusetts.
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> *From:*Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu
> <mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Rocha, Kevin
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 12:58 PM
> *To:* RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu <mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu>
> *Subject:* Student Internet
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> Hello Folks,
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> We are building a residence hall here at UNTD and are having trouble
> getting a decent quote for budgetary estimate purposes for cost per
> student for Internet access. This hall will have 125 residents. Has
> anyone done a similar cost analysis recently for a similar setup.
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> Thanks for your help.
>
> Kevin Rocha
> IT Manager
> University of North Texas at Dallas
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