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Re: Student Internet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Doughty, Marc)
Fri May 13 14:35:11 2016
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> very expensive switches
I'm scared I'll get laughed out of the room, but do the edges in a dorm
*really* need Cisco-branded switches? I imagine you could run one
fancypants switch with PoE to feed the APs and then cascade down to $10/por=
t
managed gigabit switches
<http://OU=3DTest,OU=3DHighlyManaged,OU=3DDepartments,DC=3DAD,DC=3DBrown,DC=
=3DEdu> behind
the ports that users in dorms connect to.
- Marc Doughty
"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-way
vessel."
On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Swenson, Chris <cswenson@curry.edu> wrote:
> While I cannot give you an answer to your question I can give you a bunch
> of caveats.
>
> We built a residence all for 170 students 2 years ago. Here in New
> England we have to build stuff so it holds up to something like a 8.2
> Richter or so earthquake. (I am not a construction guy)
>
> The cost on the wireless is staggering in the opinion of this 58 year old
> guy. This was the first building we built where the wireless was part of
> the original project, all others were additions to older buildings.
>
> The additions to the older buildings were part of my tech department
> costs, when the facilities people saw the first cost of the wireless in n=
ew
> construction their jaws hit the floor. They were not prepared for the cos=
t
> of the modern AP.
>
> Because of the thick walls we ended up with something like 72 access
> points (Aruba AP-205=E2=80=99s) for every 4 or so students. The others co=
vered
> common areas.
>
> I am also finding that I have to revisit my wireless in buildings upgrade=
d
> as recently as 3 or 4 years ago because of inadequate signal penetration =
as
> we move from the 2.4 g to 5.0 g bands.
>
> Another thing we decided to do was drop adding phone service to every
> room. Finally you will want to get guarantees from the wireless vendor
> that the system works. Students who have to use their data plans for the
> smart phones are very unhappy campers. Beat up the architect for a decen=
t
> set of CAD drawings that you can submit to the wireless vendor. For some
> reason they are reluctant to give that stuff up in my dealings.
>
>
>
> Lastly we currently promise 1 port per pillow. Quite honestly 95 % of
> some very expensive switches are sitting idle. I do not know what the
> answer is on this.
>
>
>
> Chris Swenson
>
> Network Manager
>
> Curry College
>
> Milton Massachusetts.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu] *On Behalf Of *Roc=
ha,
> Kevin
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 12:58 PM
> *To:* RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu
> *Subject:* Student Internet
>
>
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> We are building a residence hall here at UNTD and are having trouble
> getting a decent quote for budgetary estimate purposes for cost per stude=
nt
> for Internet access. This hall will have 125 residents. Has anyone done=
a
> similar cost analysis recently for a similar setup.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Kevin Rocha
> IT Manager
> University of North Texas at Dallas
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> very expensive switches<br><div><br></div><div>I'=
m scared I'll get laughed out of the room, but do the edges in a dorm <=
i>really</i> need Cisco-branded switches? I imagine you could run one fancy=
pants switch with PoE to feed the APs and then cascade down to <a href=3D"h=
ttp://OU=3DTest,OU=3DHighlyManaged,OU=3DDepartments,DC=3DAD,DC=3DBrown,DC=
=3DEdu">$10/port managed gigabit switches</a>=C2=A0behind the ports that us=
ers in dorms connect to.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D=
"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br>- Marc =
Doughty<br>"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are=
the give-way vessel."</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Swenson, Ch=
ris <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:cswenson@curry.edu" target=3D"_=
blank">cswenson@curry.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">While I cannot give you an answer to =
your question I can give you a bunch of caveats.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We built a residence all for 170 stud=
ents 2 years ago.=C2=A0 Here in New England we have to build stuff so it ho=
lds up to something like a 8.2 Richter or so earthquake.
(I am not a construction guy)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The cost on the wireless is staggerin=
g in the opinion of this 58 year old guy.=C2=A0 This was the first building=
we built where the wireless was part of the original
project, all others were additions to older buildings.<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The additions to the older buildings =
were part of my tech department costs, when the facilities people saw the f=
irst cost of the wireless in new construction
their jaws hit the floor. They were not prepared for the cost of the moder=
n AP.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Because of the thick walls we ended u=
p with something like 72 access points (Aruba AP-205=E2=80=99s) for every 4=
or so students. The others covered common areas.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am also finding that I have to revi=
sit my wireless in buildings upgraded as recently as 3 or 4 years ago becau=
se of inadequate signal penetration as we move
from the 2.4 g to 5.0 g bands.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Another thing we decided to do was dr=
op adding phone service to every room.=C2=A0 Finally you will want to get g=
uarantees from the wireless vendor that the system
works. Students who have to use their data plans for the smart phones are =
very unhappy campers.=C2=A0 Beat up the architect for a decent set of CAD d=
rawings that you can submit to the wireless vendor. For some reason they ar=
e reluctant to give that stuff up in
my dealings.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Lastly we currently promise 1 port pe=
r pillow.=C2=A0 Quite honestly 95 % of some very expensive switches are sit=
ting idle. I do not know what the answer is on this.<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Chris Swenson<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Network Manager<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Curry College<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Milton Massachusetts.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Resnet Forum [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu" target=3D"_blank">RESNET-L@listserv.nd=
.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rocha, Kevin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 13, 2016 12:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@listserv.nd.edu" target=3D"_blank">RE=
SNET-L@listserv.nd.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Student Internet<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p>Hello Folks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>We are building a residence hall here at UNTD and are having trouble get=
ting a decent quote for budgetary estimate purposes for cost per student fo=
r Internet access.=C2=A0 This hall will have 125 residents.=C2=A0 Has anyon=
e done a similar cost analysis recently for
a similar setup.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Thanks for your help.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Kevin Rocha <br>
IT Manager<br>
University of North Texas at Dallas<u></u><u></u></p>
<p>Get <a href=3D"https://aka.ms/ghei36" target=3D"_blank">Outlook for Andr=
oid</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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