[38127] in Resnet-Forum
Re: Wireless SSID Name
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Koerber, Jeff)
Tue Mar 26 19:25:02 2013
Content-Language: en-US
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2CABBA623980490AB9A634F9F89117D7towsonedu_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <2CABBA62-3980-490A-B9A6-34F9F89117D7@towson.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 23:24:26 +0000
Reply-To: Resnet Forum <RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
From: "Koerber, Jeff" <jkoerber@towson.edu>
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
In-Reply-To: <1E99E9626A9DAE4797E5DCAEE826923A0318FC01CC98@EXV02.wcu.edu>
--_000_2CABBA623980490AB9A634F9F89117D7towsonedu_
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I guess I should have mentioned that we use CloudPath as well, but it is av=
ailable as an option on our captive portal that comes up on our tu-guest ne=
twork.
Also, I should have mentioned that eduroam is a world wide network of educa=
tional institutions that allows your faculty, staff and students to connect=
anywhere eduroam is supported (and vice versa). More info is at eduroam.or=
g<http://eduroam.org>.
If I was just implementing wireless, I would just use eduroam as the SSID f=
or faculty, staff and students and have a guest network for those that can'=
t access eduroam.
Jeff Koerber
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:21 PM, "Andy Voelker" <avoelker@email.wcu.edu<mailto=
:avoelker@email.wcu.edu>> wrote:
We have three:
=93WCU=94 : main network, students, faculty, staff. It routes to differenc=
e vlans depending on classification. This is done by AD group membership.
=93WCU Guest=94 : guest access. For guest lecturers, contractors, parents,=
etc. Used for conferences and events too. Supplies web internet access o=
nly, no on-campus resources that aren=92t available externally.
=93WCU-NetworkSetup=94 : a captive portal that hosts CloudPath XpressConnec=
t, a configuration tool for 802.1x. Highly recommended if you use 1x. Doe=
sn=92t solve all your problems, but does a good job.
That being said he have thought about the idea of changing the =93WCU=94 ne=
twork to a =93WCU=94 and =93WCU-HighSpeed=94 or something similar. The Hig=
hSpeed would be a 802.11 N network only on the 5GHz band. It would get mor=
e devices that can=92t make smart decisions about which network to choose o=
n the cleaner, faster band. It would also educate users a little on the ca=
pabilities of their devices. Can=92t you just hear people saying =93Well, =
why can=92t I see the HighSpeed network?=94 and your joyful reply of =93Di=
dn=92t you pay $400 for that laptop six years ago? Time for an upgrade.=94=
We still have a ton of iPads that, for whatever reason, keep getting on =
802.11a and we have no option to change it. We also have tons of PCs that =
get on N using 2.4, yet are 5GHz capable. Craziness, right?
Thoughts?
-- Andy Voelker
Manager of Student Computing in the Technology Commons
WCU Staff Senator, UNC Staff Assembly
Western Carolina University
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Gary Doug=
las
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:19 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Subject: Re: Wireless SSID Name
We run three SSID's at WIU; WIU-SECURE, WIU-GUEST, and WIU-SETUP. It is the=
same across all campuses. This allows roaming. If they join in on ResNet t=
hey get a different IP then Campus. This ResNet IP has different restrictio=
ns placed on it.
Thank you
Gary Douglas, CCNP, CCSP, CCNA Wireless, CEH
(309) 298-3089
Technology Security Specialist
Western Illinois University
On Mar 21, 2013, at Mar 21, 201311:30 PM, Koerber, Jeff wrote:
We have tu-guest, tu-secure and Eduroam. All are broadcast throughout campu=
s. Tu-secure makes students go through Cisco NAC (not that I am endorsing =
that product) and Fac/staff connect directly to the network. We are thinki=
ng about migrating tu-secure to Eduroam and the network would give proper a=
ccess depending on if the person is faculty, staff, or a student.
Jeff Koerber
Supervisor, Student Computing Services Lab & Service Desk
Towson University
Towson, MD
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:46 PM, "Jeff Kell" <jeff-kell@UTC.EDU<mailto:jeff-kel=
l@UTC.EDU>> wrote:
We currently have a UTC (legacy open, cleartext), UTC-Secure
(WPA2/Enterprise), UTC-Secure-Setup (portal for XpressConnect setup),
and a UTC-VIP which is a WPA2/PSK with a periodically changing password
for "emergency guest access". We also provide eduroam.
The secured wireless authenticates from AD, so we can't push guests
there. UTC is linked with Bradford, if you're not a registered device,
you get a registration portal. We use their guest/contractor
provisioning bits to provide guest / contractor / conference access, and
there are a number of users that can create guests. The new software
allows "self-service" guest account requests, but we haven't explored it
too far yet, it still requires some interaction on the other end. Thus
the -VIP variant, you can just give them the password.
We're looking at integrating the Secure-Setup with the regular UTC
registration portal so we can eliminate that SSID. You don't want too
many beacons (transmitting at low data rates) eating up airtime... plus
the (at least Aruba) overhead of tunneling each SSID back to the
controller separately.
There is the never ending request for "Starbucks" style open access,
just join and go, but so far we have resisted (CALEA et al). If there
was some legal means to validate more open access, we would probably
follow suit.
VIP and eduroam are subject to protocol/port limitations (we followed
the eduroam guidelines for essential services), and we also restrict
their bandwidth. Users (real ones or guests) will migrate to the path
of least resistance, so the easier it is to obtain access, we try to
make the experience suck "just enough" relative to "legitimate" access
to encourage official registration whenever possible.
Jeff
___________________________________________________
You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives,
go to http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html
___________________________________________________
___________________________________________________
You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives,
go to http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html
___________________________________________________
___________________________________________________ You are subscribed to t=
he ResNet-L mailing list.
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives, go to http://LISTSERV.ND.=
EDU/archives/resnet-l.html ________________________________________________=
___
___________________________________________________ You are subscribed to t=
he ResNet-L mailing list.
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives, go to http://LISTSERV.ND.=
EDU/archives/resnet-l.html ________________________________________________=
___
___________________________________________________
You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives,
go to http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html
___________________________________________________
--_000_2CABBA623980490AB9A634F9F89117D7towsonedu_
Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1=
252">
</head>
<body dir=3D"auto">
<div>I guess I should have mentioned that we use CloudPath as well, but it =
is available as an option on our captive portal that comes up on our tu-gue=
st network. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also, I should have mentioned that eduroam is a world wide network of =
educational institutions that allows your faculty, staff and students to co=
nnect anywhere eduroam is supported (and vice versa). More info is at
<a href=3D"http://eduroam.org">eduroam.org</a>. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If I was just implementing wireless, I would just use eduroam as the S=
SID for faculty, staff and students and have a guest network for those that=
can't access eduroam. <br>
<br>
Jeff Koerber </div>
<div><br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Mar 26, 2013, at 12:21 PM, "Andy Voelker" <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:avoelker@email.wcu.edu">avoelker@email.wcu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<meta name=3D"Generator" content=3D"Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Helvetica;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p
{mso-style-priority:99;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0in;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0in;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
span.apple-style-span
{mso-style-name:apple-style-span;}
span.EmailStyle19
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit">
<o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We have three:<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=93WCU=94 : main network,=
students, faculty, staff. It routes to difference vlans depending on=
classification. This is done by AD group membership.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=93WCU Guest=94 : guest a=
ccess. For guest lecturers, contractors, parents, etc. Used for=
conferences and events too. Supplies web internet access only, no on=
-campus
resources that aren=92t available externally.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">=93WCU-NetworkSetup=94 : =
a captive portal that hosts CloudPath XpressConnect, a configuration tool f=
or 802.1x. Highly recommended if you use 1x. Doesn=92t solve
all your problems, but does a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That being said he have t=
hought about the idea of changing the =93WCU=94 network to a =93WCU=94 and =
=93WCU-HighSpeed=94 or something similar. The HighSpeed would be a
802.11 N network only on the 5GHz band. It would get more devices th=
at can=92t make smart decisions about which network to choose on the cleane=
r, faster band. It would also educate users a little on the capabilit=
ies of their devices. Can=92t you just hear people
saying =93Well, why can=92t I see the HighSpeed network?=94 and your=
joyful reply of =93Didn=92t you pay $400 for that laptop six years ago?&nb=
sp; Time for an upgrade.=94 We still have a ton of iPads that, =
for whatever reason, keep getting on 802.11a and we have no option
to change it. We also have tons of PCs that get on N using 2.4, yet =
are 5GHz capable. Craziness, right?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-- Andy Voelker<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Manager of Student Comput=
ing in the Technology Commons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">WCU Staff Senator, UNC St=
aff Assembly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Western Carolina Universi=
ty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Resnet=
Forum [<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSER=
V.ND.EDU</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Douglas<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 25, 2013 9:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND=
.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Wireless SSID Name<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We run three SSID's at WIU; WIU-SECURE, WIU-GUEST, a=
nd WIU-SETUP. It is the same across all campuses. This allows roaming. If t=
hey join in on ResNet they get a different IP then Campus. This ResNet IP h=
as different restrictions placed on
it. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Gary Douglas, CCNP, CCSP,=
CCNA Wireless, CEH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica","sans-serif";color:black">(309) 298-3089<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Technology Security Speci=
alist<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Western Illinois Universi=
ty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"He=
lvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mar 21, 2013, at Mar 21, 201311:30 PM, Koerber, J=
eff wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We have tu-guest, tu-secure and Eduroam. All are bro=
adcast throughout campus. Tu-secure makes students go through Cisco N=
AC (not that I am endorsing that product) and Fac/staff connect directly to=
the network. We are thinking about migrating
tu-secure to Eduroam and the network would give proper access depending on=
if the person is faculty, staff, or a student.
<br>
<br>
Jeff Koerber<br>
Supervisor, Student Computing Services Lab & Service Desk<br>
Towson University <br>
Towson, MD<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:46 PM, "Jeff Kell" <<a href=3D"mailto:je=
ff-kell@UTC.EDU">jeff-kell@UTC.EDU</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We currently have a UTC (legacy open, cleartext), UT=
C-Secure<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(WPA2/Enterprise), UTC-Secure-Setup (portal for Xpre=
ssConnect setup),<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">and a UTC-VIP which is a WPA2/PSK with a periodicall=
y changing password<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">for "emergency guest access". We als=
o provide eduroam.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The secured wireless authenticates from AD, so we ca=
n't push guests<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">there. UTC is linked with Bradford, if you're =
not a registered device,<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">you get a registration portal. We use their gu=
est/contractor<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">provisioning bits to provide guest / contractor / co=
nference access, and<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">there are a number of users that can create guests. =
The new software<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">allows "self-service" guest account reques=
ts, but we haven't explored it<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">too far yet, it still requires some interaction on t=
he other end. Thus<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">the -VIP variant, you can just give them the passwor=
d. <o:p>
</o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We're looking at integrating the Secure-Setup with t=
he regular UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">registration portal so we can eliminate that SSID. &=
nbsp;You don't want too<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">many beacons (transmitting at low data rates) eating=
up airtime... plus<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">the (at least Aruba) overhead of tunneling each SSID=
back to the<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">controller separately.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is the never ending request for "Starbuck=
s" style open access,<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">just join and go, but so far we have resisted (CALEA=
et al). If there<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">was some legal means to validate more open access, w=
e would probably<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">follow suit.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">VIP and eduroam are subject to protocol/port limitat=
ions (we followed<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">the eduroam guidelines for essential services), and =
we also restrict<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">their bandwidth. Users (real ones or guests) w=
ill migrate to the path<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">of least resistance, so the easier it is to obtain a=
ccess, we try to<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">make the experience suck "just enough" rel=
ative to "legitimate" access<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">to encourage official registration whenever possible=
.<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jeff<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">___________________________________________________<=
o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.<o:p=
></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives,<o:=
p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">go to <a href=3D"http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/res=
net-l.html">
http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">___________________________________________________<=
o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
___________________________________________________<br>
You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.<br>
<br>
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives,<br>
go to <a href=3D"http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html">http://LIST=
SERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html</a><br>
___________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">___________________________________________________ =
You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives, go to <a href=3D"http:=
//LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html</a> _________________________=
__________________________
<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
___________________________________________________ You are subscribed to t=
he ResNet-L mailing list.
<p>To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives, go to <a href=3D"http:=
//LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html" target=3D"_blank">
http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html</a> _________________________=
__________________________
</p>
</div>
</blockquote>
</body>
</html>
___________________________________________________
You are subscribed to the ResNet-L mailing list.
<p>
To subscribe, unsubscribe or search the archives,
go to <a href=3D"http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html" target=3D"_blank">http://LISTSERV.ND.EDU/archives/resnet-l.html</a>
___________________________________________________
--_000_2CABBA623980490AB9A634F9F89117D7towsonedu_--
