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Re: [NOISE] Re[2]: FLAME

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter da Silva)
Wed Feb 21 10:35:12 1996

From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
To: ids@uow.edu.au
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 1996 14:26:16 -0600 (CST)
In-Reply-To: <960215154118.d45f@Samba.cnb.uam.es> from "J.R.Valverde" at Feb 15,
Reply-To: ids@uow.edu.au

> >>     Nelson Mandella is the elected leader of a nation.  In the past he was
> >>     imprisoned as a criminal, for activities that the prevailing fashion
> >>     labelled terrorist and subversive.

> >I do not believe that there is any evidence that he carried on these
> >activities for profit or even entertainment.

> >There are hackers who engage in their activities for political purposes,
> >no doubt, or for other forms of real protest. Whether or not the individual
> >who was responsible for this thread falls into this category isn't something
> >I care to speculate publicly about... but in my opinion any such comparison
> >between modern hackers and Nelson Mandella is disingenuous at best.

>         Could we get rid of all this nonsensical intolerance?

What intolerance? There's absolutely nothing nonsensical or intolerant about
my message. The second paragraph, which you quoted, starts off granting that
there ARE hackers who do so for legitimate political purposes!

So what's your point?

Mine is simply that the logic implied in the message I was responding to, to
wit "Mandella was called a terrorist, now he's a freedom fighter, therefore
this hacker is also a freedom fighter" is simply semantic nonsense. Any such
comparison... one that implies that there's anything positive about being
called a terrorist or a hacker on that basis... is disingenuous.

Whether a person is a "freedom fighter" is a completely separate issue from
whether they're a hacker.

[ Please continue this thread privately it is of little relavance to IDS 
- RuF ]


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