[906] in UA Senate
Re: 5.2 Bill to work with HDAG on an undergrad survey
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen Derby)
Sun Nov 7 09:57:19 2010
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From: Owen Derby <oderby@MIT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 09:56:53 -0500
To: hwkns@mit.edu
Cc: Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@mit.edu>, Tim Jenks <ua-vicechair@mit.edu>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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In reference to the bill as currently worded (linked from the agenda and
found at http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/6/hdag-survey.pdf), I'm curious
as to why the wording of the second that clause was left so vague in your
changes? In particular, I feel that "collaboration", without any sort of
qualification, can imply very different levels of involvement, depending on
who is reading it. Did you guys talk about what you want to get out of this
collaboration? It might be worth putting into the wording of the bill. Or if
you didn't want to restrict, perhaps make the senators from dining dorms and
hdag create a mission statement or set of goals at the beginning, upon which
both agree...or something to guide the senators in knowing how much they
will be involved.
Also, I'm assuming this is a non-issue, but is there at least one senator
from each of the dining dorms that has committed to being a part of this
effort? That would be more clear to me if they all were signatories of the
bill, but probably not essential. Just as long as we don't say "oh, we need
student involvement in this!" only to have no one show up.
- Owen
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote:
> For those interested:
>
> http://web.mit.edu/hwkns/Public/dpc/survey/
>
> Have fun.
>
> -hwkns
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> FYI, if you guys want things done with the Blue Ribbon Dining Committee
>> survey data from... two years back at this point?, I believe I still have
>> access to a copy of that somewhere and could run stats on it. Uses include
>> getting two-year-old answers about what the campus community thinks about
>> various dining proposals imediately as opposed to waiting to run a current
>> survey, and measuring what the change in opinion in the intervening period
>> is (although that's a bit harder to do rigorously sine you'd want to ask the
>> same questions in the same format).
>>
>> --
>> Geoffrey Thomas
>> geofft@mit.edu
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 5 Nov 2010, Tim Jenks wrote:
>>
>> Meeting moved to 2 pm on Saturday. Still in UA Office.
>>>
>>> --Tim
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Tim Jenks <ua-vicechair@mit.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, 1 p.m. on Saturday looks like a good time to have this
>>> subcommittee meeting. It will be in W20-401, and all interested parties are
>>> welcome.
>>> If you'd like to come but can't make this time, please reply to me
>>> ASAP with when you can meet on Saturday/Sunday, as there are a couple other
>>> times on
>>> those days that could work. Attached is the bill as it was
>>> committed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Tim Jenks
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Tim Jenks <tjenks@mit.edu> wrote:
>>> 5.2 was introduced tonight, and it discusses working with HDAG to
>>> create survey to determine undergraduate positions on dining. It was
>>> committed
>>> tonight, and I'll be chairing the ad-hoc committee for that. If
>>> you're interested in this bill, please reply to this email with your
>>> availability
>>> before next Monday, and I'll schedule a time when the most people
>>> can meet.
>>>
>>> --Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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In reference to the bill as currently worded (linked from the agenda and fo=
und at <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/6/hdag-survey.pdf">htt=
p://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/6/hdag-survey.pdf</a>), I'm curious as =
to why the wording of the second that clause was left so vague in your chan=
ges? In particular, I feel that "collaboration", without any sort=
of qualification, can imply very different levels of involvement, dependin=
g on who is reading it. Did you guys talk about what you want to get out of=
this collaboration? It might be worth putting into the wording of the bill=
. Or if you didn't want to restrict, perhaps make the senators from din=
ing dorms and hdag create a mission statement or set of goals at the beginn=
ing, upon which both agree...or something to guide the senators in knowing =
how much they will be involved.<br>
<br>Also, I'm assuming this is a non-issue, but is there at least one s=
enator from each of the dining dorms that has committed to being a part of =
this effort? That would be more clear to me if they all were signatories of=
the bill, but probably not essential. Just as long as we don't say &qu=
ot;oh, we need student involvement in this!" only to have no one show =
up.<br>
<br>- Owen<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 4:51 PM=
, Daniel Hawkins <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:hwkns@mit.edu">hwk=
ns@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); p=
adding-left: 1ex;">
For those interested:<br><br><a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/hwkns/Public/dpc=
/survey/" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/hwkns/Public/dpc/survey/</a>=
<br><br>Have fun.<br><br>-hwkns<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Geoffrey Thomas <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:geofft@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">geofft@mit.edu</a>></spa=
n> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">FYI, if you guys =
want things done with the Blue Ribbon Dining Committee survey data from... =
two years back at this point?, I believe I still have access to a copy of t=
hat somewhere and could run stats on it. Uses include getting two-year-old =
answers about what the campus community thinks about various dining proposa=
ls imediately as opposed to waiting to run a current survey, and measuring =
what the change in opinion in the intervening period is (although that'=
s a bit harder to do rigorously sine you'd want to ask the same questio=
ns in the same format).<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
-- <br>
Geoffrey Thomas<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:geofft@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">geofft@mit.edu</a></fon=
t><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
On Fri, 5 Nov 2010, Tim Jenks wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Meeting moved to 2 pm on Saturday.=A0 Still in UA Office.<br>
<br>
--Tim<br>
<br>
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Tim Jenks <<a href=3D"mailto:ua-vicechai=
r@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-vicechair@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Hi everyone, 1 p.m. on Saturday looks like a good time to have =
this subcommittee meeting.=A0 It will be in W20-401, and all interested par=
ties are welcome.=A0<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0If you'd like to come but can't make this time, please =
reply to me ASAP with when you can meet on Saturday/Sunday, as there are a =
couple other times on<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0those days that could work.=A0 Attached is the bill as it was c=
ommitted.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Thanks,<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Tim Jenks<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Tim Jenks <<a href=3D"mailto:tjenks@mit=
.edu" target=3D"_blank">tjenks@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A05.2 was introduced tonight, and it discusses working with HDAG =
to create survey to determine undergraduate positions on dining.=A0 It was =
committed<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0tonight, and I'll be chairing the ad-hoc committee for that=
.=A0 If you're interested in this bill, please reply to this email with=
your availability<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0before next Monday, and I'll schedule a time when the most =
people can meet.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0--Tim<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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