[519] in UA Senate
Re: Senate Bylaws Maintenance Bill
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Hawkins)
Sun Apr 4 21:13:43 2010
Reply-To: hwkns@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: <4BB938E7.80106@mit.edu>
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 21:13:41 -0400
From: Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@MIT.EDU>
To: Tim Stumbaugh <stum@mit.edu>
Cc: UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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Sounds good to me.
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <stum@mit.edu> wrote:
> I was just going to leave it as "must appear on the agenda at two
> consecutive meetings." That seem reasonable?
>
>
> On 4 Apr 2010 21.09, Daniel Hawkins wrote:
>
>> Oh, I see - yeah, you have to specifically move to take something off
>> the table. RONR does allow for postponing until a certain date or
>> meeting. We could specify that instead of tabling...
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <stum@mit.edu
>> <mailto:stum@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> OK. That's fine. I'll update it.
>> The point I am trying to make is that in RONR, things on the table
>> at the end of a meeting just fall to the floor. I'm just trying to
>> make it so what we intend is actually what's in the bylaws.
>>
>>
>> On 4 Apr 2010 19.14, Daniel Hawkins wrote:
>>
>> If people really don't like it the first time, they can move to
>> postpone
>> indefinitely. That's not exactly the same, but I think it
>> serves the
>> same purpose.
>>
>> -hwkns
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <stum@mit.edu
>> <mailto:stum@mit.edu>
>> <mailto:stum@mit.edu <mailto:stum@mit.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>> I was thinking that if people really don't like it the first
>> time, we
>> save a week. I'm fine with just having the dereference to
>> the table
>> and just say it must appear on the agenda at two separate
>> meetings.
>>
>> On 4/4/10, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu
>> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu
>>
>> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>>>
>>
>> wrote:
>> > Can you say anything about why you want a two-thirds majority
>> at each
>> > meeting? That seems like it will add unnecessary overhead to the
>> > process. I think that the idea behind requiring it sit on the
>> table for
>> > a week is to avoid surprising people who might care, and I don't
>> think
>> > requiring an affirmative vote at each meeting helps that any.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Alex
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Tim
>> "There is no emotion, there is peace."
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Tim
>> "Live right now/Just be yourself/It doesn't matter if it's good
>> enough for someone else."
>>
>>
>>
> --
> -Tim
> "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge."
>
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Sounds good to me.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at=
9:12 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mit.ed=
u">stum@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 20=
4); padding-left: 1ex;">
I was just going to leave it as "must appear on the agenda at two cons=
ecutive meetings." That seem reasonable?<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
On 4 Apr 2010 21.09, Daniel Hawkins wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=
=3D"im">
Oh, I see - yeah, you have to specifically move to take something off<br>
the table. =A0RONR does allow for postponing until a certain date or<br>
meeting. =A0We could specify that instead of tabling...<br>
<br>
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:04 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mi=
t.edu" target=3D"_blank">stum@mit.edu</a><br></div><div class=3D"im">
<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">stum@mit.edu</=
a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0OK. That's fine. I'll update it.<br>
=A0 =A0The point I am trying to make is that in RONR, things on the table<=
br>
=A0 =A0at the end of a meeting just fall to the floor. I'm just trying=
to<br>
=A0 =A0make it so what we intend is actually what's in the bylaws.<br>
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0On 4 Apr 2010 19.14, Daniel Hawkins wrote:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0If people really don't like it the first time, they can=
move to<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0postpone<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0indefinitely. =A0That's not exactly the same, but I thi=
nk it<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0serves the<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0same purpose.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-hwkns<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:05 PM, Tim Stumbaugh <<a href=
=3D"mailto:stum@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">stum@mit.edu</a><br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank=
">stum@mit.edu</a>><br></div><div class=3D"im">
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank=
">stum@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:stum@mit.edu" target=3D"_bl=
ank">stum@mit.edu</a>>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I was thinking that if people really don't like=
it the first<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0time, we<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0save a week. I'm fine with just having the dere=
ference to<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the table<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0and just say it must appear on the agenda at two se=
parate<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0meetings.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On 4/4/10, Alex Dehnert <<a href=3D"mailto:adehn=
ert@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a><br></div>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:adehnert@mit.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:adehnert@mit.ed=
u" target=3D"_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a><div class=3D"im"><br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:adehnert@mit.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>>>><br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wrote:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Can you say anything about why you want a two-thirds =
majority<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0at each<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > meeting? That seems like it will add unnecessary over=
head to the<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > process. I think that the idea behind requiring it si=
t on the<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0table for<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > a week is to avoid surprising people who might care, =
and I don't<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0think<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > requiring an affirmative vote at each meeting helps t=
hat any.<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ><br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Thanks,<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 > Alex<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ><br>
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-Tim<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0"There is no emotion, there is peace."<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0--<br>
=A0 =A0-Tim<br>
=A0 =A0"Live right now/Just be yourself/It doesn't matter if it&#=
39;s good<br>
=A0 =A0enough for someone else."<br>
<br>
<br>
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