[480] in UA Senate
Re: Proposed New Business
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Jenks)
Mon Mar 29 03:41:48 2010
In-Reply-To: <4BB041DE.30900@mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 03:41:44 -0400
From: Tim Jenks <tjenks@MIT.EDU>
To: Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>
Cc: Sammi Wyman <swyman@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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Thanks for the insight Alex.
Sammi, do you have a budget for this event, so we can see a breakdown of
what the money would be spent on?
My initial impressions are that this is a *lot* of money, especially to be
recurring by precedent, when there are other channels through which funding
can or should be obtained.
--Tim
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu> wrote:
> While considering this bill, I encourage the Senate to consider:
>
> =3D=3D Discussion of a similar bill last year =3D=3D
>
> The discussion we had of a similar bill by the same group last year (page=
s
> 7--8 of http://web.mit.edu/ua/minutes/UAS40/2009-03-16.pdf). Some
> particularly relevant comments, in my mind, include:
>
> * Keone Hon: Because you got it last year, it=92s an indication you likel=
y
> won=92t this year because coming to the UA for funding isn=92t supposed t=
o be
> recurring.
> * The discussion of alternate funding sources. I will note that MIT-EMS
> applied to LEF and Finboard for this allocation cycle.
> * The request from Senate is identical in amount to the request from LEF
> (though I don't recall what we decided, and I can't seem to find records
> anywhere).
> * The Finboard application didn't really talk about MassCPR much, though
> it was mentioned. All expected expenses should be included in Finboard
> applications. The relevant line item in the Spring allocations was "CPR
> classes $500".
>
> =3D=3D FPRC report =3D=3D
> The Financial Policy Review Committee's report, which Senate approved jus=
t
> last meeting (
> http://web.mit.edu/ua/committee/fprc/report/latest/report.pdf, especially
> chapter 3, "Senate-managed funds" --- pages 17--19)
>
> * "As a result, Senate=92s discussions of discretionary usage are often
> undirected. Over the past few semesters, many discussions rehashed the sa=
me
> sort of philosophical points. Further, the lack of clarity in what Senate
> Discretionary aimed to fund prompted concerns that those coming to and
> receiving money from Senate Discretionary were those who knew Senators,
> rather than those with the best ideas. Clarifying the purpose and intende=
d
> uses should both allow discussions to be shorter
> and less repetitive, and give those uninvolved in the UA greater confiden=
ce
> as to when the Senate Discretionary Fund is a good source of funding."
> * "In light of the above, the FPRC recommends that Senate Discretionary
> Fund focus on funding the following:
> * Unique requests from students or student groups that do not meet
> Finboard regulations but either:
> 1. Benefit a large portion of the entire undergraduate student body
> [...]
> * Unforeseeable events or initiatives run by student groups (Note: This
> does not include any events which the group could have handled during a
> regular Finboard cycle, if the group had been better prepared.)"
>
> =3D=3D Budget for the event =3D=3D
>
> Unfortunately, this seems to be missing from your email. Do you have one
> that you could forward.
>
>
>
>
> I'd encourage you to discuss the bill via email.
>
> I'll be at Senate for any in-person discussion of this proposed bill.
> Should you choose to consider it (which I believe requires 2/3 vote due t=
o
> the late notice), I'd be happy to provide any historical or financial
> perspective I can, especially if you provide an indication of what you'd
> like in advance so I can do any relevant research.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex Dehnert
> UA Treasurer
> Interim Chair, UA History Committee
>
>
> On 03/29/2010 01:18 AM, Sammi Wyman wrote:
>
>> Sorry this is late, guys, but I just got the funding request and the eve=
nt
>> is on April 4th, so I plan to bring up this bill as new business tomorro=
w.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>
>
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Thanks for the insight Alex.<br>Sammi, do you have a budget for this event,=
so we can see a breakdown of what the money would be spent on?<br><br>My i=
nitial impressions are that this is a *lot* of money, especially to be recu=
rring by precedent, when there are other channels through which funding can=
or should be obtained.<br>
<br>--Tim<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 1:5=
9 AM, Alex Dehnert <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:adehnert@mit.edu=
">adehnert@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,=
204); padding-left: 1ex;">
While considering this bill, I encourage the Senate to consider:<br>
<br>
=3D=3D Discussion of a similar bill last year =3D=3D<br>
<br>
The discussion we had of a similar bill by the same group last year (pages =
7--8 of <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/minutes/UAS40/2009-03-16.pdf" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/minutes/UAS40/2009-03-16.pdf</a>). Some=
particularly relevant comments, in my mind, include:<br>
<br>
* Keone Hon: Because you got it last year, it=92s an indication you likely =
won=92t this year because coming to the UA for funding isn=92t supposed to =
be recurring.<br>
* The discussion of alternate funding sources. I will note that MIT-EMS app=
lied to LEF and Finboard for this allocation cycle.<br>
=A0* The request from Senate is identical in amount to the request from LE=
F (though I don't recall what we decided, and I can't seem to find =
records anywhere).<br>
=A0* The Finboard application didn't really talk about MassCPR much, t=
hough it was mentioned. All expected expenses should be included in Finboar=
d applications. The relevant line item in the Spring allocations was "=
CPR classes =A0 =A0 =A0 $500".<br>
<br>
=3D=3D FPRC report =3D=3D<br>
The Financial Policy Review Committee's report, which Senate approved j=
ust last meeting (<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/committee/fprc/report/la=
test/report.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/committee/fprc/rep=
ort/latest/report.pdf</a>, especially chapter 3, "Senate-managed funds=
" --- pages 17--19)<br>
<br>
* "As a result, Senate=92s discussions of discretionary usage are ofte=
n undirected. Over the past few semesters, many discussions rehashed the sa=
me sort of philosophical points. Further, the lack of clarity in what Senat=
e Discretionary aimed to fund prompted concerns that those coming to and re=
ceiving money from Senate Discretionary were those who knew Senators, rathe=
r than those with the best ideas. Clarifying the purpose and intended uses =
should both allow discussions to be shorter<br>
and less repetitive, and give those uninvolved in the UA greater confidence=
as to when the Senate Discretionary Fund is a good source of funding."=
;<br>
* "In light of the above, the FPRC recommends that Senate Discretionar=
y Fund focus on funding the following:<br>
=A0* Unique requests from students or student groups that do not meet Finb=
oard regulations but either:<br>
=A0 =A01. Benefit a large portion of the entire undergraduate student body=
<br>
=A0 =A0[...]<br>
=A0* Unforeseeable events or initiatives run by student groups (Note: This=
does not include any events which the group could have handled during a re=
gular Finboard cycle, if the group had been better prepared.)"<br>
<br>
=3D=3D Budget for the event =3D=3D<br>
<br>
Unfortunately, this seems to be missing from your email. Do you have one th=
at you could forward.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I'd encourage you to discuss the bill via email.<br>
<br>
I'll be at Senate for any in-person discussion of this proposed bill. S=
hould you choose to consider it (which I believe requires 2/3 vote due to t=
he late notice), I'd be happy to provide any historical or financial pe=
rspective I can, especially if you provide an indication of what you'd =
like in advance so I can do any relevant research.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br><font color=3D"#888888">
Alex Dehnert<br>
UA Treasurer<br>
Interim Chair, UA History Committee</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"=
><br>
<br>
On 03/29/2010 01:18 AM, Sammi Wyman wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Sorry this is late, guys, but I just got the funding request and the event =
is on April 4th, so I plan to bring up this bill as new business tomorrow.<=
br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
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