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Re: Agenda for Monday's Meeting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Danielle Wang)
Mon Dec 7 17:23:32 2009
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:23:09 -0500
From: Danielle Wang <daniellejwang@gmail.com>
To: Alexandra M Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>
Cc: Ashley Nash <ashnash@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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Hi All,
I will be prepared with answers for all of the issues brought up on the
thread at the meeting tonight. I just wanted to clarify one important point:
this is for the IAP/SPRING 2010 Cycle. This will be money for groups to use
starting January.
Finboard would also like to add two more groups to the spreadsheet. Their
applications came in late.
*Student Juggling Club:* Events (75/75) Publicity (25/25)
*Traditional Medicine Society:* Events (250/1315) Publicity (50/855)---
Need more details on events in the spring. Currently funding IAP events
only.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Alexandra M Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu> wrote:
> More (summarized) comments about the agenda:
>
> 6.1: Approve
>
> 6.2: Do not approve, as per argument for changing the format of NomComm
>
> 7.1: Approve; CLARIFICATION: What cycle is this for? Fall? Have these
> groups
> already spent this money under the impression that they would receive
> allocations and be refunded?
>
> Finboard Allocations (IAP/Spring 2010): Approve; CLARIFICATION: Why is
> Bhakti
> Yoga (specifically) being told to come back during appeals? Why are other
> groups told to come back for funding during appeals? What was "absurd"
> about
> Logs funding requests? Does this also include the APPEAL for Flying Club?
> --> I also approve the appeal for Flying Club
>
> 7.2: Undecided. I'd like to see more specific information about the budget,
> but
> I think the idea is excellent. I do think that it's reasonable for the UA
> to
> contribute some funding, but the bulk of $$ should come from IS&T.
> CLARIFICATION: How much would it cost to put a card reader on the door to
> the
> game room? I thought I read "a few thousand," but does anyone have a more
> specific number?
>
> 7.3: Approve. I'd like to talk about the effectiveness of CommComm and the
> current Chair of the Committee at somepoint, preferrably offline and over
> break. I think changes need to be made in the Spring.
>
> UA Operating Budget: Approve. As I said before, I will be proposing an
> amendment
> to add $150 to the Sustainability Budget for surveys.
>
> 7.4: Approve. It rocks. I really hope The Tech will be in attendance
> tonight to
> announce the bill in the Friday Tech.
>
> 7.5: Approve. I would also be in favor of making Special Projects a
> permanent
> committe.
>
>
> Alex Jordan
>
> Sorority Senator
> Chair, UA Committee on Sustainability
>
>
>
> Quoting Ashley Nash <ashnash@MIT.EDU>:
>
> This agenda is really long. It would be awesome if it didn't take this
>> long. I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial
>> things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there
>> are
>> other items on the agenda that will require more discussion.
>>
>> I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least think
>> about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, not
>> argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,
>> just to postpone or table.
>>
>> Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before
>> the
>> meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time to
>> look
>> for the information and have an explanation ready.
>>
>> I am going to start with what I think about our agenda items:
>>
>> I think 6.1 should pass. Someone showed reservation that not all of the
>> principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would make
>> even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6
>> officers,
>> it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3
>> people
>> need to agree. The more people who need to agree to approve someone- to
>> an
>> extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, the
>> harder it is to game the system. Also, the secretary and treasurer cannot
>> approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.
>>
>> 6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionable
>> students currently serving on institute committees. I don't, on
>> principle,
>> think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don't want to
>> suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to approval
>> after
>> they started. I am also still not clear on what happens if the student is
>> approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it.
>>
>> I intend to support 7.1. I will vote for the Finboard, but it would be
>> nice
>> to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together since
>> their
>> last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don't lose
>> their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two mistakes.
>>
>> 7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill
>> and
>> the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.
>>
>> 7.3 I vote to approve all reports.
>>
>> We already argued over the UA operations budget, and I think we should
>> approve it, fast.
>>
>> 7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath that
>> DSL
>> will do anything useful.
>>
>> 7.5 link down, more questions for Vrajesh
>>
>> I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think chairs should need
>> senate approval for vice-chairs. I know nothing about her.
>>
>> Questions for Vrajesh
>> How much does this printer cost?
>> What is the UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?
>> When will it happen?
>> What does the bill 7.5 encompass?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ashley Nash,
>> Senior House Senator
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Senate,
>>>
>>> The Finboard allocations document is now available:
>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard
>>>
>>> Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation
>>> that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special
>>> Projects Committee." This has been added to the agenda as pending
>>> legislation: http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf I apologize
>>> for
>>> the miscommunication.
>>>
>>> The agenda has been updated appropriately.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Senate,
>>>>
>>>> Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at:
>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf
>>>>
>>>> All available legislation has been linked within the agenda. The text
>>>> for
>>>> 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me. Likewise, as already mentioned,
>>>> the
>>>> Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday
>>>> evening,
>>>> since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of
>>>> legislation is quite critical. Please consider preparing comments in
>>>> advance, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing
>>>> list.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on
>>>> Monday
>>>> evening.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Danielle Wang
MIT Class of 2011 || Chemical and Biological Engineering
djwang@mit.edu || 314.775.3484
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Hi All,<br><br>I will be prepared with answers for all of the issues brough=
t up on the thread at the meeting tonight. I just wanted to clarify one imp=
ortant point: this is for the IAP/SPRING 2010 Cycle. This will be money for=
groups to use starting January. <br>
<br>Finboard would also like to add two more groups to the spreadsheet. The=
ir applications came in late.<br>
<br><u>Student Juggling Club:</u> Events (75/75) Publicity (25/25)<br><br><=
u>Traditional Medicine Society:</u> Events (250/1315)=A0 Publicity (50/855)=
--- Need more details on events in the spring. Currently funding IAP events=
only.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Alexandra M =
Jordan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"=
_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">More (summarized)=
comments about the agenda:<br>
<br>
6.1: Approve<br>
<br>
6.2: Do not approve, as per argument for changing the format of NomComm<br>
<br>
7.1: Approve; CLARIFICATION: What cycle is this for? Fall? Have these group=
s<br>
already spent this money under the impression that they would receive<br>
allocations and be refunded?<br>
<br>
Finboard Allocations (IAP/Spring 2010): Approve; CLARIFICATION: Why is Bhak=
ti<br>
Yoga (specifically) being told to come back during appeals? Why are other<b=
r>
groups told to come back for funding during appeals? What was "absurd&=
quot; about<br>
Logs funding requests? Does this also include the APPEAL for Flying Club?<b=
r>
--> I also approve the appeal for Flying Club<br>
<br>
7.2: Undecided. I'd like to see more specific information about the bud=
get, but<br>
I think the idea is excellent. I do think that it's reasonable for the =
UA to<br>
contribute some funding, but the bulk of $$ should come from IS&T.<br>
CLARIFICATION: How much would it cost to put a card reader on the door to t=
he<br>
game room? I thought I read "a few thousand," but does anyone hav=
e a more<br>
specific number?<br>
<br>
7.3: Approve. I'd like to talk about the effectiveness of CommComm and =
the<br>
current Chair of the Committee at somepoint, preferrably offline and over<b=
r>
break. I think changes need to be made in the Spring.<br>
<br>
UA Operating Budget: Approve. As I said before, I will be proposing an amen=
dment<br>
to add $150 to the Sustainability Budget for surveys.<br>
<br>
7.4: Approve. It rocks. I really hope The Tech will be in attendance tonigh=
t to<br>
announce the bill in the Friday Tech.<br>
<br>
7.5: Approve. I would also be in favor of making Special Projects a permane=
nt<br>
committe.<br>
<br>
<br>
Alex Jordan<div><br>
Sorority Senator<br>
Chair, UA Committee on Sustainability<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></div><div><div></div><div>
Quoting Ashley Nash <<a href=3D"mailto:ashnash@MIT.EDU" target=3D"_blank=
">ashnash@MIT.EDU</a>>:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
This agenda is really long. =A0It would be awesome if it didn't take th=
is<br>
long. =A0I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial<br=
>
things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there are=
<br>
other items on the agenda that will require more discussion.<br>
<br>
I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least think<br=
>
about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, not<br=
>
argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,<br=
>
just to postpone or table.<br>
<br>
Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before the=
<br>
meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time to loo=
k<br>
for the information and have an explanation ready.<br>
<br>
I am going to start with what I think about our agenda items:<br>
<br>
I think 6.1 should pass. =A0Someone showed reservation that not all of the<=
br>
principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would make<br=
>
even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 officers=
,<br>
it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 people=
<br>
need to agree. =A0The more people who need to agree to approve someone- to =
an<br>
extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, the<br>
harder it is to game the system. =A0Also, the secretary and treasurer canno=
t<br>
approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.<br>
<br>
6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionable<br=
>
students currently serving on institute committees. =A0I don't, on prin=
ciple,<br>
think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don't want t=
o<br>
suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to approval after=
<br>
they started. =A0I am also still not clear on what happens if the student i=
s<br>
approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it.<br>
<br>
I intend to support 7.1. =A0I will vote for the Finboard, but it would be n=
ice<br>
to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together since their=
<br>
last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don't los=
e<br>
their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two mistakes.<b=
r>
<br>
7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill and=
<br>
the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.<br>
<br>
7.3 I vote to approve all reports.<br>
<br>
We already argued over the UA operations budget, and I think we should<br>
approve it, fast.<br>
<br>
7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath tha=
t DSL<br>
will do anything useful.<br>
<br>
7.5 link down, more questions for Vrajesh<br>
<br>
I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think chairs should nee=
d<br>
senate approval for vice-chairs. =A0I know nothing about her.<br>
<br>
Questions for Vrajesh<br>
How much does this printer cost?<br>
What is the UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?<br>
When will it happen?<br>
What does the bill 7.5 encompass?<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Ashley Nash,<br>
Senior House Senator<br>
<br>
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <<a href=3D"mailto:pbaranay=
@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear Senate,<br>
<br>
The Finboard allocations document is now available:<br>
<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard</a><br>
<br>
Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation<br>
that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special<b=
r>
Projects Committee." =A0This has been added to the agenda as pending<b=
r>
legislation: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf</a> =A0I apologize =
for<br>
the miscommunication.<br>
<br>
The agenda =A0has been updated appropriately.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <<a href=3D"mailto:pbarana=
y@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Dear Senate,<br>
<br>
Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at:<br>
<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf</a><=
br>
<br>
All available legislation has been linked within the agenda. =A0The text fo=
r<br>
7.3 has not yet been submitted to me. =A0Likewise, as already mentioned, th=
e<br>
Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday evening,<b=
r>
since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.<br>
<br>
This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of<br>
legislation is quite critical. =A0Please consider preparing comments in<br>
advance, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list=
.<br>
<br>
I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on Monday<=
br>
evening.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Danielle Wa=
ng<br>MIT Class of 2011 || Chemical and Biological Engineering<br><a href=
=3D"mailto:djwang@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">djwang@mit.edu</a> || 314.775.=
3484<br>
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