[365] in UA Senate
Re: Agenda for Monday's Meeting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Sammi Wyman)
Mon Dec 7 13:31:17 2009
Cc: Ashley Nash <ashnash@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
From: Sammi Wyman <swyman@MIT.EDU>
To: Tim Stumbaugh <stum@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912071208310.5994@dr-wily.mit.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:31:08 -0500
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Does the VP chair the comm? If not, who?
On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Tim Stumbaugh wrote:
> And by President, I mean Vice President.
>
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Tim Stumbaugh wrote:
>
>> nomcomm-subcomm is going to recommend that we postpone 6.2
>> indefinitely (i.e. kill it) because it doesn't really address the
>> problems that we're having in an appropriate manner.
>> We are going to recommend that the Nominations Committee be re-
>> tooled (so to speak) to consist of (at minimum) the UA President,
>> Vice-Speaker of the Senate, 2 Senators and 2 members of Exec. I
>> will expand on this more tonight during the meeting, but the basic
>> thought is that it's very difficult to get people to sit on (let
>> alone chair) Nomcomm.
>>
>> feel free to discuss this
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Ashley Nash wrote:
>>
>>> This agenda is really long. It would be awesome if it didn't take
>>> this
>>> long. I think it is fair to say that there are some non-
>>> controversial
>>> things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but
>>> there are
>>> other items on the agenda that will require more discussion.
>>> I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least
>>> think
>>> about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move
>>> on, not
>>> argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue
>>> more,
>>> just to postpone or table.
>>> Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it
>>> before the
>>> meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has
>>> time to look
>>> for the information and have an explanation ready.
>>> I am going to start with what I think about our agenda items:
>>> I think 6.1 should pass. Someone showed reservation that not all
>>> of the
>>> principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it
>>> would make
>>> even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6
>>> officers,
>>> it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only
>>> 3 people
>>> need to agree. The more people who need to agree to approve
>>> someone- to an
>>> extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job,
>>> the
>>> harder it is to game the system. Also, the secretary and
>>> treasurer cannot
>>> approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.
>>> 6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionable
>>> students currently serving on institute committees. I don't, on
>>> principle,
>>> think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don't
>>> want to
>>> suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to
>>> approval after
>>> they started. I am also still not clear on what happens if the
>>> student is
>>> approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it.
>>> I intend to support 7.1. I will vote for the Finboard, but it
>>> would be nice
>>> to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together
>>> since their
>>> last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible,
>>> don't lose
>>> their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two
>>> mistakes.
>>> 7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the
>>> bill and
>>> the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.
>>> 7.3 I vote to approve all reports.
>>> We already argued over the UA operations budget, and I think we
>>> should
>>> approve it, fast.
>>> 7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my
>>> breath that DSL
>>> will do anything useful.
>>> 7.5 link down, more questions for Vrajesh
>>> I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think chairs
>>> should need
>>> senate approval for vice-chairs. I know nothing about her.
>>> Questions for Vrajesh
>>> How much does this printer cost?
>>> What is the UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just
>>> items)?
>>> When will it happen?
>>> What does the bill 7.5 encompass?
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Ashley Nash,
>>> Senior House Senator
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Dear Senate,
>>>> The Finboard allocations document is now available:
>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard
>>>> Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of
>>>> legislation
>>>> that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the
>>>> Special
>>>> Projects Committee." This has been added to the agenda as pending
>>>> legislation: http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf I
>>>> apologize for
>>>> the miscommunication.
>>>> The agenda has been updated appropriately.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Paul
>>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Senate,
>>>>> Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at:
>>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf
>>>>> All available legislation has been linked within the agenda.
>>>>> The text for
>>>>> 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me. Likewise, as already
>>>>> mentioned, the
>>>>> Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday
>>>>> evening,
>>>>> since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.
>>>>> This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of
>>>>> legislation is quite critical. Please consider preparing
>>>>> comments in
>>>>> advance, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the
>>>>> mailing list.
>>>>> I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion
>>>>> on Monday
>>>>> evening.
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> Paul
>>
>>
>
> --
> -Tim
> "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge."
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