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Re: Agenda for Monday's Meeting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Paul Baranay)
Mon Dec 7 11:46:20 2009
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From: Paul Baranay <pbaranay@MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:45:52 -0500
To: Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com>
Cc: Ashley Nash <ashnash@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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Corrected, thanks for the catch.
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com> wrote:
> The bill for the printer was mistyped in the agenda. it directs to
> web.mitL.edu. removing the L works:
>
> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/2/.pdf
>
> --Tim
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Ashley Nash <ashnash@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> This agenda is really long. It would be awesome if it didn't take this
>> long. I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial
>> things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there are
>> other items on the agenda that will require more discussion.
>>
>> I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least think
>> about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, not
>> argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,
>> just to postpone or table.
>>
>> Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before
>> the meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time to
>> look for the information and have an explanation ready.
>>
>> I am going to start with what I think about our agenda items:
>>
>> I think 6.1 should pass. Someone showed reservation that not all of the
>> principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would make
>> even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 officers,
>> it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 people
>> need to agree. The more people who need to agree to approve someone- to an
>> extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, the
>> harder it is to game the system. Also, the secretary and treasurer cannot
>> approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.
>>
>> 6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionable
>> students currently serving on institute committees. I don't, on principle,
>> think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don't want to
>> suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to approval after
>> they started. I am also still not clear on what happens if the student is
>> approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it.
>>
>> I intend to support 7.1. I will vote for the Finboard, but it would be
>> nice to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together since
>> their last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don't
>> lose their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two mistakes.
>>
>> 7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill
>> and the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.
>>
>> 7.3 I vote to approve all reports.
>>
>> We already argued over the UA operations budget, and I think we should
>> approve it, fast.
>>
>> 7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath that
>> DSL will do anything useful.
>>
>> 7.5 link down, more questions for Vrajesh
>>
>> I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think chairs should need
>> senate approval for vice-chairs. I know nothing about her.
>>
>> Questions for Vrajesh
>> How much does this printer cost?
>> What is the UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?
>> When will it happen?
>> What does the bill 7.5 encompass?
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Ashley Nash,
>> Senior House Senator
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Senate,
>>>
>>> The Finboard allocations document is now available:
>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard
>>>
>>> Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation
>>> that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special
>>> Projects Committee." This has been added to the agenda as pending
>>> legislation: http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf I apologize
>>> for the miscommunication.
>>>
>>> The agenda has been updated appropriately.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Senate,
>>>>
>>>> Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at:
>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf
>>>>
>>>> All available legislation has been linked within the agenda. The text
>>>> for 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me. Likewise, as already mentioned,
>>>> the Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday
>>>> evening, since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.
>>>>
>>>> This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of
>>>> legislation is quite critical. Please consider preparing comments in
>>>> advance, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on
>>>> Monday evening.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Corrected, thanks for the catch.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, =
Dec 7, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Tim Jenks <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:=
trjenks@gmail.com">trjenks@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); ma=
rgin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
The bill for the printer was mistyped in the agenda.=A0 it directs to <a hr=
ef=3D"http://web.mitL.edu" target=3D"_blank">web.mitL.edu</a>.=A0 removing =
the L works:<br><br><a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/2/.pdf"=
target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/2/.pdf</a><br>
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>--Tim</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Ashley Nash <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:ashnash@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ashnash@mit.edu</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
This agenda is really long.=A0 It would be awesome if it didn't take th=
is long.=A0 I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial=
things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there ar=
e other items on the agenda that will require more discussion. <br>
<br>=A0I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least t=
hink about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, n=
ot argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,=
just to postpone or table. <br>
<br>Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before=
the meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time t=
o look for the information and have an explanation ready. <br><br>I am goin=
g to start with what I think about our agenda items:<br>
<br>I think 6.1 should pass.=A0 Someone showed reservation that not all of =
the principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would mak=
e even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 office=
rs, it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 pe=
ople need to agree.=A0 The more people who need to agree to approve someone=
- to an extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, =
the harder it is to game the system.=A0 Also, the secretary and treasurer c=
annot approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.<b=
r>
<br>6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionabl=
e students currently serving on institute committees.=A0 I don't, on pr=
inciple, think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don'=
;t want to suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to app=
roval after they started.=A0 I am also still not clear on what happens if t=
he student is approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it=
.<br>
<br>I intend to support 7.1.=A0 I will vote for the Finboard, but it would =
be nice to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together sin=
ce their last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don&=
#39;t lose their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two =
mistakes.=A0 <br>
<br>7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill=
and the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.<br><=
br>7.3 I vote to approve all reports.<br><br>We already argued over the UA =
operations budget, and I think we should approve it, fast.<br>
<br>7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath=
that DSL will do anything useful.<br><br>7.5 link down, more questions for=
Vrajesh<br><br>I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think c=
hairs should need senate approval for vice-chairs.=A0 I know nothing about =
her.<br>
<br>Questions for Vrajesh<br>How much does this printer cost?<br>What is th=
e UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?<br>When will =
it happen?<br>What does the bill 7.5 encompass?<br><br>Sincerely,<br><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>
Ashley Nash,<br>Senior House Senator</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <span =
dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:pbaranay@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbara=
nay@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Senate,<br><=
br>The Finboard allocations document is now available: <a href=3D"http://we=
b.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/=
ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard</a><br>
<br>Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation=
that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special =
Projects Committee."=A0 This has been added to the agenda as pending l=
egislation: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf</a>=A0 I apologize =
for the miscommunication.<br>
<br>The agenda=A0 has been updated appropriately.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><fon=
t color=3D"#888888">Paul</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:pbaranay@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu=
</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Senate,<br><=
br>Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at: <a href=3D"ht=
tp://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf" target=3D"_blank">=
http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf</a><br>
<br>All available legislation has been linked within the agenda.=A0 The tex=
t for 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me.=A0 Likewise, as already mention=
ed, the Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday ev=
ening, since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.<br>
<br>This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of legi=
slation is quite critical.=A0 Please consider preparing comments in advance=
, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list.<br>
<br>I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on Mon=
day evening.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><font color=3D"#888888">Paul<br>
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