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Re: Recording of mailing list discussions
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead?=)
Thu Oct 29 19:27:40 2009
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead?= <jontec@MIT.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:27:29 -0400
Cc: "oderby@mit.edu" <oderby@mit.edu>, "pbaranay@mit.edu" <pbaranay@mit.edu>,
"catherio@mit.edu" <catherio@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
To: Samantha G Wyman <swyman@mit.edu>
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[Forgot to reply-all, originally sent 29-Oct 3:16pm]
I only referenced the mailing lists because this seems to be where a =20
lot of the substantive discussion is occurring--that and this bill/=20
issue has spanned multiple meetings. I was asking about whether there =20=
would be a summary of the views and situations considered in our final =20=
decision (whatever that may be). I think it is an especially relevant =20=
question here because we are discussing amendments to the =20
constitution; it might be helpful for future generations of senators =20
to see the types of things we considered in order to begin framing =20
their debate. Of course, their views could be totally different from =20
ours. Catherine explained to me that the purpose of the whereas =20
clauses was to explain our reasoning. My personal appeal to the Senate =20=
is that we take care to fully explain our reasoning in the whereas =20
clauses so that that our final bill is something that could be used as =20=
a resource for our "future selves." If that is not sufficient to =20
encapsulate our views, then perhaps we should propose a better vessel.
I think Owen has a point, though... it could be a really cool =20
application to both develop and to use. The system that I would =20
envision would go a couple steps further, though, synthesizing =20
information from different sources. First, the discussion could be =20
linked to a specific bill that the Senate is considering, full text =20
available for constituents to see right there on the page (as opposed =20=
to downloading a pdf or embedding a viewer-- isn't there a tex2html =20
utility somewhere?). This page would have a (threaded?) comment area =20
where constituents as well as senators could discuss the bill. The =20
innovative aspect of the application would be its ability to bridge =20
the mailing list and this interface by posting/displaying messages =20
from the mailing list as comments to the bill for everyone to see in =20
context without having to join the list/read the archive. You could =20
also facilitate synchronization in the opposite direction (constituent =20=
comments =3D> mailing list), but you might run into issues with the list =
=20
being overloaded or full of spam.
Essentially, I think that this would be a great asset in our struggle =20=
to increase transparency and gather more feedback from constituents-- =20=
it lowers the bar to entry. When everything is presented in one place =20=
and you do not have to be familiar with all of inner workings of the =20
UA to link discussion with actions, I would maintain that you are much =20=
more likely to provide feedback or (even!) attend meetings.
At this point, though, this idea could be discussed based on its value =20=
for constituents/the UA or on its technical challenges/merits. I would =20=
suggest that more technical questions/comments be directed to a =20
separate thread/subject. I would assume that some (if not many) would =20=
prefer not to trudge through the technical jargon when debating the =20
need or value of the system at all.
Thanks,
Jont=E9 D. Craighead
Next House UA Senator
MIT Class of 2013
(Prospective) Course 1C
On Oct 29, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Samantha G Wyman wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I thought you mentioned on retreat that all of the discussion on the =20=
> mailing
> list is publically archived. Is that not the case? Or were =20
> Catherine and
> Jonte talking about something different?
>
> -Sammi
> BC Senator
>
> Quoting Owen Derby <oderby@MIT.EDU>:
>
>> Well, I wasn't thinking any specific, but what I have in mind when =20=
>> I say
>> "forum" is more like a community discussion board, such as
>> http://www.phpbb.com/ or others. I would imagine it would be part =20
>> of the
>> website, where proposed ammendments and any other discussions would =20=
>> take
>> place in a thread and would be available for all with access to see.
>> Although I must admit I haven't looked into the hosting side of it =20=
>> much;
>> I've only ever been a user of such forums. Of course, there are =20
>> lots of
>> things to consider before implementing it, especially security, but =20=
>> it's
>> something that would seem to naturally lend itself to the sort of
>> discussions which have been taking place on the UA email lists.
>>
>> If it's never been brought up before, I think it's something worth
>> discussing at the next meeting?
>>
>> -Owen
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> =20
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To the best of my recollection, the idea of using a forum has not =20=
>>> been
>>> brought up in the Senate. Owen, are you suggesting a separate =20
>>> forum for
>>> discussion on topics, or some sort of Slashdot-like integration =20
>>> with the
>>> existing website?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Owen Derby <oderby@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> To go off this, I've had one question since I started on Senate =20
>>>> (for those
>>>> of you who don't know, I'm filling the 6th spot for fraternity =20
>>>> senators and
>>>> I just started Monday). Why doesn't the UA have some kind of =20
>>>> forum site
>>>> where these discussions can take place and be recorded? I know =20
>>>> I'm new and
>>>> all, so perhaps this has been previously discussed and discarded, =20=
>>>> but if
>>>> someone could enlighten me that'd be great.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Owen Derby
>>>> Fraternity Senator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Catherine Olsson =
<catherio@mit.edu=20
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Jonte asked me the good question today of "does all the =20
>>>>> discussion on the
>>>>> mailing list get recorded somehow?", and I'd thought I'd mirror my
>>>>> response
>>>>> here for others who have the same question, and for those who =20
>>>>> might have a
>>>>> better answer to also chime in.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I can tell, discussions we have here on the mailing =20
>>>>> list won't
>>>>> turn up in any official records unless we reference them in
>>>>> meetings (which
>>>>> will appear in the minutes) or turn our ideas into legislation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thus I recommended to Jonte, and recommend to any of you who =20
>>>>> have the
>>>>> same question, that if you think it's important that future =20
>>>>> generations
>>>>> understand some portion of the reasoning and context behind what =20=
>>>>> we're
>>>>> discussing (a lot of which goes on in the mailing list) you can
>>>>> preface any
>>>>> remarks you make in Senate with "As we discussed on the mailing =20=
>>>>> list,
>>>>> <context>." before making whatever point you have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a thought =3D)
>>>>> - Catherine, Random Hall Senator
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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"><div>[Forgot to reply-all, originally sent 29-Oct =
3:16pm]</div><div><br></div>I only referenced the mailing lists because =
this seems to be where a lot of the substantive discussion is =
occurring--that and this bill/issue has spanned multiple meetings. I was =
asking about whether there would be a summary of the views and =
situations considered in our final decision (whatever that may be). I =
think it is an especially relevant question here because we are =
discussing amendments to the constitution; it might be helpful for =
future generations of senators to see the types of things we considered =
in order to begin framing their debate. Of course, their views could be =
totally different from ours. Catherine explained to me that the purpose =
of the whereas clauses was to explain our reasoning. My personal appeal =
to the Senate is that we take care to fully explain our reasoning in the =
whereas clauses so that that our final bill is something that could be =
used as a resource for our "future selves." If that is not sufficient to =
encapsulate our views, then perhaps we should propose a better =
vessel.<br><br>I think Owen has a point, though... it could be a really =
cool application to both develop and to use. The system that I would =
envision would go a couple steps further, though, synthesizing =
information from different sources. First, the discussion could be =
linked to a specific bill that the Senate is considering, full text =
available for constituents to see right there on the page (as opposed to =
downloading a pdf or embedding a viewer-- isn't there a tex2html utility =
somewhere?). This page would have a (threaded?) comment area where =
constituents as well as senators could discuss the bill. The innovative =
aspect of the application would be its ability to bridge the mailing =
list and this interface by posting/displaying messages from the mailing =
list as comments to the bill for everyone to see in context without =
having to join the list/read the archive. You could also facilitate =
synchronization in the opposite direction (constituent comments =3D> =
mailing list), but you might run into issues with the list being =
overloaded or full of spam.<br><br>Essentially, I think that this would =
be a great asset in our struggle to increase transparency and gather =
more feedback from constituents-- it lowers the bar to entry. When =
everything is presented in one place and you do not have to be familiar =
with all of inner workings of the UA to link discussion with actions, I =
would maintain that you are much more likely to provide feedback or =
(even!) attend meetings.<br><br>At this point, though, this idea could =
be discussed based on its value for constituents/the UA or on its =
technical challenges/merits. I would suggest that more technical =
questions/comments be directed to a separate thread/subject. I would =
assume that some (if not many) would prefer not to trudge through the =
technical jargon when debating the need or value of the system at =
all.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Jont=E9 D. Craighead<br><br>Next House UA =
Senator<br>MIT Class of 2013<br>(Prospective) Course 1C<br><br>On Oct =
29, 2009, at 12:41 PM, Samantha G Wyman wrote:<br><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Paul,<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">I thought you =
mentioned on retreat that all of the discussion on the =
mailing<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">list is publically =
archived. Is that not the case? Or were Catherine =
and<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Jonte talking about =
something different?<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">-Sammi<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">BC =
Senator<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Quoting Owen =
Derby <<a =
href=3D"mailto:oderby@MIT.EDU">oderby@MIT.EDU</a>>:<br></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Well, I wasn't thinking any =
specific, but what I have in mind when I =
say<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">"forum" is more like a community discussion board, such =
as<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><a =
href=3D"http://www.phpbb.com/">http://www.phpbb.com/</a> or others. =
I would imagine it would be part of =
the<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">website, where proposed ammendments and any other =
discussions would take<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">place in a thread and would be =
available for all with access to =
see.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Although I must admit I haven't looked into the hosting =
side of it much;<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I've only ever been a user of =
such forums. Of course, there are lots =
of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">things to consider before implementing it, especially =
security, but it's<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">something that would seem to =
naturally lend itself to the sort =
of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">discussions which have been taking place on the UA email =
lists.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">If it's never been brought up =
before, I think it's something =
worth<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">discussing at the next =
meeting?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">-Owen<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:26 =
PM, Paul Baranay <<a =
href=3D"mailto:pbaranay@mit.edu">pbaranay@mit.edu</a>> =
wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To the =
best of my recollection, the idea of using a forum has not =
been<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">brought =
up in the Senate. Owen, are you suggesting a separate forum =
for<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">discussion on topics, or some sort of Slashdot-like =
integration with =
the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">existing=
website?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Best,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Paul<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On =
Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Owen Derby <<a =
href=3D"mailto:oderby@mit.edu">oderby@mit.edu</a>> =
wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Hello,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquot=
e><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">To go off this, I've had one =
question since I started on Senate (for =
those<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">of you who don't know, I'm =
filling the 6th spot for fraternity senators =
and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I just started Monday). Why =
doesn't the UA have some kind of forum =
site<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">where these discussions can take =
place and be recorded? I know I'm new =
and<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">all, so perhaps this has been =
previously discussed and discarded, but =
if<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">someone could enlighten me =
that'd be =
great.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Thanks,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquo=
te><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Owen =
Derby<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Fraternity =
Senator<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote=
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:09 =
PM, Catherine Olsson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:catherio@mit.edu">catherio@mit.edu</a>>wrote:<br></block=
quote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi =
all,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Jonte =
asked me the good question today of "does all the discussion on =
the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">mailing =
list get recorded somehow?", and I'd thought I'd mirror =
my<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">response<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockqu=
ote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">here for others who have the =
same question, and for those who might have =
a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">better =
answer to also chime =
in.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">As far =
as I can tell, discussions we have here on the mailing list =
won't<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">turn =
up in any official records unless we reference them =
in<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><bl=
ockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">meetings=
=
(which<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">will =
appear in the minutes) or turn our ideas into =
legislation.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bloc=
kquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Thus I =
recommended to Jonte, and recommend to any of you who have =
the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">same =
question, that if you think it's important that future =
generations<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></block=
quote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">understand some portion of the reasoning and context =
behind what =
we're<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">discussing (a lot of which goes on in the mailing list) =
you =
can<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">preface =
any<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><b=
lockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">remarks =
you make in Senate with "As we discussed on the mailing =
list,<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><context>." before making whatever point you =
have.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>=
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Just a =
thought =
=3D)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><=
blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">- =
Catherine, Random Hall =
Senator<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquot=
e><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></bl=
ockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blo=
ckquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
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