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Re: Agenda for 42 UAS 11
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Jenks)
Mon Feb 28 22:51:37 2011
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:51:34 -0500
From: Tim Jenks <tjenks@MIT.EDU>
To: Jessica Chen <jessicachen.dbhs@gmail.com>
Cc: Janet Li <jli12@mit.edu>, ua-senate-officers <ua-senate-officers@mit.edu>,
=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead_=28UA_Speaker=29?= <ua-speaker@mit.edu>,
hwkns <hwkns@mit.edu>, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>,
ua-senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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I'm going to make a motion to consider amending the bylaws first.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Jessica Chen
<jessicachen.dbhs@gmail.com>wrote:
> Agenda states that its elections first and then fixing the bylaws should
> that be updated?
> Sincerely,
> ~Jessica Chen
> MIT 2014
>
>
> 2011/2/28 Janet Li <jli12@mit.edu>
>
> I thought it was #1. The fact that the bylaws' restrictions for Vice
>> Speaker are greater than the restrictions for Speaker, which doesn't rea=
lly
>> make sense. So we were just going to fix the bylaws to maintain consiste=
ncy,
>> and then hold elections.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) <
>> ua-speaker@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, guys:
>>>
>>> I completely agree with Hawkins' reasoning. We should consider amending
>>> the bylaws if and only if it becomes extremely clear that three weeks (=
more,
>>> if you count IAP) of Senate's deliberations could not produce a viable
>>> candidate for Vice Speaker from among the ranks of the assembly itself.
>>>
>>> If do we consider the amendment, important questions to ask would be (1=
)
>>> What was the intent in creating the criteria as outlined in the Bylaws?
>>> Balance with the criteria for Speaker? Separation of Powers? and (2) Is=
this
>>> a one-time issue/an issue that is only precipitated by particular
>>> circumstances? (for example, should the restrictions be relaxed only if=
no
>>> nominations from the assembly occur at a prior meeting?)
>>>
>>> Remember, changes to the Bylaws have the chance to persist throughout t=
he
>>> life of this organization. The Vice Speaker is one of Senate' public
>>> representatives, one of its three representatives in votes of Exec, and=
the
>>> Vice-Chair of its Nominations Committee.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't actually know anything about this, but here's the reasoning th=
at
>>>> came to mind when I read your question:
>>>>
>>>> We shouldn't amend the bylaws because "then person X can be nominated"
>>>> (this makes the vote on the bylaws essentially a vote on a person, whi=
ch is
>>>> inappropriate). We also shouldn't amend the bylaws because "there are=
n't
>>>> enough qualified people who meet the requirements set forth in the byl=
aws"
>>>> (first of all, yes there are, and second, this makes the vote on the b=
ylaws
>>>> essentially a vote to set aside a perhaps-well-reasoned rule in favor =
of a
>>>> quick fix, which is also inappropriate). If you want to discuss the
>>>> restrictions on senate officers, you should do so when it's not immedi=
ately
>>>> relevant so you have a more holistic, less biased perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I don't know what the actual intent was, but that's my guess.
>>>>
>>>> -hwkns
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2011/2/27 Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>
>>>>
>>>> Is there a reason to consider 10.4 ("Bill to Amend the Senate Bylaws
>>>>> Restrictions on Senate Officers") after the vice speaker election? It=
seems
>>>>> like stabilizing the bylaws before the election would make sense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/27/2011 02:26 AM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, everyone:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 11. The Chairman of t=
he
>>>>>> Corporation, John Reed '61, SM '65, will be our guest speaker on
>>>>>> Monday;
>>>>>> this will be his first visit to Senate since his election in June
>>>>>> 2010.
>>>>>> I strongly encourage Senators to inform their constituents about the
>>>>>> importance of this meeting and invite those who have not yet made it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> a Senate meeting this year to join us for the first hour on Monday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meeting Agenda:
>>>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2011-02-28.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Following the hour-long session with our guest speaker, the UA stude=
nt
>>>>>> representatives from the Committee on Race & Diversity (CRD) and the
>>>>>> Corporation Joint Advisory Committee (CJAC) on Institute-wide Affair=
s
>>>>>> will each hold a brief Q&A session on a topic relevant to their
>>>>>> committee. The remainder of the meeting will be devoted to the
>>>>>> confirmation of nominees for the UA Finance Board, standard orders o=
f
>>>>>> business, the election of the Vice Speaker, and this week's
>>>>>> legislation.
>>>>>> I have not received confirmation of the text for 42 UAS 11.1, and as
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> 42 UAS 10, I will pull this agenda item if it is not officially
>>>>>> submitted by 7:30pm tomorrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions. As always, I will be
>>>>>> hosting my office hours on Sunday evening from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> UA Office (W20-401)--feel free to drop by if you'd like to speak wit=
h
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> in person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speaker of the Senate
>>>>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>>>>> Course 1C: Class of 2013
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Tim Jenks
Dept. of Mechanical Engineering
MIT Class of 2013
tjenks@mit.edu
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I'm going to make a motion to consider amending the bylaws first.<br><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Jessica =
Chen <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jessicachen.dbhs@gmail.com">je=
ssicachen.dbhs@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Agenda states tha=
t its elections first and then fixing the bylaws should that be updated?<br=
clear=3D"all">
Sincerely,<br>~Jessica Chen<br>MIT 2014<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/2/28 Janet Li <span dir=3D"ltr"><=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jli12@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">jli12@mit.edu</a>></=
span><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I thought it was #1. The fact that the bylaws' restrictions for Vice Sp=
eaker are greater than the restrictions for Speaker, which doesn't real=
ly make sense. So we were just going to fix the bylaws to maintain consiste=
ncy, and then hold elections.<div>
<div></div><div><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Jont=
=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ua-speak=
er@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-speaker@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border=
-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi, guys:<br><br>I completely agree with Hawkins' reasoning. We should =
consider amending the bylaws if and only if it becomes extremely clear that=
three weeks (more, if you count IAP) of Senate's deliberations could n=
ot produce a viable candidate for Vice Speaker from among the ranks of the =
assembly itself. <br>
<br>If do we consider the amendment, important questions to ask would be (1=
) What was the intent in creating the criteria as outlined in the Bylaws? B=
alance with the criteria for Speaker? Separation of Powers? and (2) Is this=
a one-time issue/an issue that is only precipitated by particular circumst=
ances? (for example, should the restrictions be relaxed only if no nominati=
ons from the assembly occur at a prior meeting?)<br>
<br>Remember, changes to the Bylaws have the chance to persist throughout t=
he life of this organization. The Vice Speaker is one of Senate' public=
representatives, one of its three representatives in votes of Exec, and th=
e Vice-Chair of its Nominations Committee.<br>
<br clear=3D"all">Thanks,<br><font color=3D"#888888">Jont=E9 Craighead</fon=
t><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 27, 2=
011 at 4:32 AM, Daniel Hawkins <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:hwkn=
s@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I don't actually know anything about this, but here's the reasoning=
that came to mind when I read your question:<br><br>We shouldn't amend=
the bylaws because "then person X can be nominated" (this makes =
the vote on the bylaws essentially a vote on a person, which is inappropria=
te).=A0 We also shouldn't amend the bylaws because "there aren'=
;t enough qualified people who meet the requirements set forth in the bylaw=
s" (first of all, yes there are, and second, this makes the vote on th=
e bylaws essentially a vote to set aside a perhaps-well-reasoned rule in fa=
vor of a quick fix, which is also inappropriate).=A0 If you want to discuss=
the restrictions on senate officers, you should do so when it's not im=
mediately relevant so you have a more holistic, less biased perspective.<br=
>
<br>Again, I don't know what the actual intent was, but that's my g=
uess.<br><br>-hwkns<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/2/27 Ale=
x Dehnert <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:adehnert@mit.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>></span><div>
<div></div><div><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Is there a reason=
to consider 10.4 ("Bill to Amend the Senate Bylaws Restrictions on Se=
nate Officers") after the vice speaker election? It seems like stabili=
zing the bylaws before the election would make sense.<div>
<div></div><div><br>
<br>
On 02/27/2011 02:26 AM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi, everyone:<br>
<br>
Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 11. The Chairman of the<br>
Corporation, John Reed '61, SM '65, will be our guest speaker on Mo=
nday;<br>
this will be his first visit to Senate since his election in June 2010.<br>
I strongly encourage Senators to inform their constituents about the<br>
importance of this meeting and invite those who have not yet made it to<br>
a Senate meeting this year to join us for the first hour on Monday.<br>
<br>
Meeting Agenda: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2011-=
02-28.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/201=
1-02-28.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Following the hour-long session with our guest speaker, the UA student<br>
representatives from the Committee on Race & Diversity (CRD) and the<br=
>
Corporation Joint Advisory Committee (CJAC) on Institute-wide Affairs<br>
will each hold a brief Q&A session on a topic relevant to their<br>
committee. The remainder of the meeting will be devoted to the<br>
confirmation of nominees for the UA Finance Board, standard orders of<br>
business, the election of the Vice Speaker, and this week's legislation=
.<br>
I have not received confirmation of the text for 42 UAS 11.1, and as for<br=
>
42 UAS 10, I will pull this agenda item if it is not officially<br>
submitted by 7:30pm tomorrow.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any questions. As always, I will be<br>
hosting my office hours on Sunday evening from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in the<br>
UA Office (W20-401)--feel free to drop by if you'd like to speak with m=
e<br>
in person.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jont=E9 Craighead<br>
<br>
Speaker of the Senate<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
Course 1C: Class of 2013<br>
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Jenks<br>Dept. of Mechanical Engineering<br>MIT Class of 2013<br><a href=
=3D"mailto:tjenks@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">tjenks@mit.edu</a><br><br>
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