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Re: Agenda for 42 UAS 11
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Janet Li)
Mon Feb 28 22:27:21 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimcQMGsq_HJ9Qf-4a8crax42ng0JjmcKhagHmjr@mail.gmail.com>
From: Janet Li <jli12@MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:26:37 -0500
To: ua-senate-officers@mit.edu
Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jont=E9_Craighead_=28UA_Speaker=29?= <ua-speaker@mit.edu>,
hwkns@mit.edu, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>, ua-senate@mit.edu
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I thought it was #1. The fact that the bylaws' restrictions for Vice Speake=
r
are greater than the restrictions for Speaker, which doesn't really make
sense. So we were just going to fix the bylaws to maintain consistency, and
then hold elections.
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) <
ua-speaker@mit.edu> wrote:
> Hi, guys:
>
> I completely agree with Hawkins' reasoning. We should consider amending t=
he
> bylaws if and only if it becomes extremely clear that three weeks (more, =
if
> you count IAP) of Senate's deliberations could not produce a viable
> candidate for Vice Speaker from among the ranks of the assembly itself.
>
> If do we consider the amendment, important questions to ask would be (1)
> What was the intent in creating the criteria as outlined in the Bylaws?
> Balance with the criteria for Speaker? Separation of Powers? and (2) Is t=
his
> a one-time issue/an issue that is only precipitated by particular
> circumstances? (for example, should the restrictions be relaxed only if n=
o
> nominations from the assembly occur at a prior meeting?)
>
> Remember, changes to the Bylaws have the chance to persist throughout the
> life of this organization. The Vice Speaker is one of Senate' public
> representatives, one of its three representatives in votes of Exec, and t=
he
> Vice-Chair of its Nominations Committee.
>
> Thanks,
> Jont=E9 Craighead
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> I don't actually know anything about this, but here's the reasoning that
>> came to mind when I read your question:
>>
>> We shouldn't amend the bylaws because "then person X can be nominated"
>> (this makes the vote on the bylaws essentially a vote on a person, which=
is
>> inappropriate). We also shouldn't amend the bylaws because "there aren'=
t
>> enough qualified people who meet the requirements set forth in the bylaw=
s"
>> (first of all, yes there are, and second, this makes the vote on the byl=
aws
>> essentially a vote to set aside a perhaps-well-reasoned rule in favor of=
a
>> quick fix, which is also inappropriate). If you want to discuss the
>> restrictions on senate officers, you should do so when it's not immediat=
ely
>> relevant so you have a more holistic, less biased perspective.
>>
>> Again, I don't know what the actual intent was, but that's my guess.
>>
>> -hwkns
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/2/27 Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>
>>
>> Is there a reason to consider 10.4 ("Bill to Amend the Senate Bylaws
>>> Restrictions on Senate Officers") after the vice speaker election? It s=
eems
>>> like stabilizing the bylaws before the election would make sense.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/27/2011 02:26 AM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, everyone:
>>>>
>>>> Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 11. The Chairman of the
>>>> Corporation, John Reed '61, SM '65, will be our guest speaker on Monda=
y;
>>>> this will be his first visit to Senate since his election in June 2010=
.
>>>> I strongly encourage Senators to inform their constituents about the
>>>> importance of this meeting and invite those who have not yet made it t=
o
>>>> a Senate meeting this year to join us for the first hour on Monday.
>>>>
>>>> Meeting Agenda:
>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2011-02-28.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Following the hour-long session with our guest speaker, the UA student
>>>> representatives from the Committee on Race & Diversity (CRD) and the
>>>> Corporation Joint Advisory Committee (CJAC) on Institute-wide Affairs
>>>> will each hold a brief Q&A session on a topic relevant to their
>>>> committee. The remainder of the meeting will be devoted to the
>>>> confirmation of nominees for the UA Finance Board, standard orders of
>>>> business, the election of the Vice Speaker, and this week's legislatio=
n.
>>>> I have not received confirmation of the text for 42 UAS 11.1, and as f=
or
>>>> 42 UAS 10, I will pull this agenda item if it is not officially
>>>> submitted by 7:30pm tomorrow.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions. As always, I will be
>>>> hosting my office hours on Sunday evening from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in th=
e
>>>> UA Office (W20-401)--feel free to drop by if you'd like to speak with =
me
>>>> in person.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>>>
>>>> Speaker of the Senate
>>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>>> Course 1C: Class of 2013
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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I thought it was #1. The fact that the bylaws' restrictions for Vice Sp=
eaker are greater than the restrictions for Speaker, which doesn't real=
ly make sense. So we were just going to fix the bylaws to maintain consiste=
ncy, and then hold elections.<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Jont=
=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ua-speak=
er@mit.edu">ua-speaker@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid=
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi, guys:<br><br>I completely agree with Hawkins' reasoning. We should =
consider amending the bylaws if and only if it becomes extremely clear that=
three weeks (more, if you count IAP) of Senate's deliberations could n=
ot produce a viable candidate for Vice Speaker from among the ranks of the =
assembly itself. <br>
<br>If do we consider the amendment, important questions to ask would be (1=
) What was the intent in creating the criteria as outlined in the Bylaws? B=
alance with the criteria for Speaker? Separation of Powers? and (2) Is this=
a one-time issue/an issue that is only precipitated by particular circumst=
ances? (for example, should the restrictions be relaxed only if no nominati=
ons from the assembly occur at a prior meeting?)<br>
<br>Remember, changes to the Bylaws have the chance to persist throughout t=
he life of this organization. The Vice Speaker is one of Senate' public=
representatives, one of its three representatives in votes of Exec, and th=
e Vice-Chair of its Nominations Committee.<br>
<br clear=3D"all">Thanks,<br><font color=3D"#888888">Jont=E9 Craighead</fon=
t><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Feb 27, 2011 at 4:32 AM, Daniel Hawkins <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:hwkns@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">hwkns@mit.edu</a>></span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I don't actually know anything about this, but here's the reasoning=
that came to mind when I read your question:<br><br>We shouldn't amend=
the bylaws because "then person X can be nominated" (this makes =
the vote on the bylaws essentially a vote on a person, which is inappropria=
te).=A0 We also shouldn't amend the bylaws because "there aren'=
;t enough qualified people who meet the requirements set forth in the bylaw=
s" (first of all, yes there are, and second, this makes the vote on th=
e bylaws essentially a vote to set aside a perhaps-well-reasoned rule in fa=
vor of a quick fix, which is also inappropriate).=A0 If you want to discuss=
the restrictions on senate officers, you should do so when it's not im=
mediately relevant so you have a more holistic, less biased perspective.<br=
>
<br>Again, I don't know what the actual intent was, but that's my g=
uess.<br><br>-hwkns<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2011/2/27 Ale=
x Dehnert <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:adehnert@mit.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>></span><div>
<div></div><div><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Is there a reason=
to consider 10.4 ("Bill to Amend the Senate Bylaws Restrictions on Se=
nate Officers") after the vice speaker election? It seems like stabili=
zing the bylaws before the election would make sense.<div>
<div></div><div><br>
<br>
On 02/27/2011 02:26 AM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi, everyone:<br>
<br>
Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 11. The Chairman of the<br>
Corporation, John Reed '61, SM '65, will be our guest speaker on Mo=
nday;<br>
this will be his first visit to Senate since his election in June 2010.<br>
I strongly encourage Senators to inform their constituents about the<br>
importance of this meeting and invite those who have not yet made it to<br>
a Senate meeting this year to join us for the first hour on Monday.<br>
<br>
Meeting Agenda: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2011-=
02-28.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/201=
1-02-28.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Following the hour-long session with our guest speaker, the UA student<br>
representatives from the Committee on Race & Diversity (CRD) and the<br=
>
Corporation Joint Advisory Committee (CJAC) on Institute-wide Affairs<br>
will each hold a brief Q&A session on a topic relevant to their<br>
committee. The remainder of the meeting will be devoted to the<br>
confirmation of nominees for the UA Finance Board, standard orders of<br>
business, the election of the Vice Speaker, and this week's legislation=
.<br>
I have not received confirmation of the text for 42 UAS 11.1, and as for<br=
>
42 UAS 10, I will pull this agenda item if it is not officially<br>
submitted by 7:30pm tomorrow.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any questions. As always, I will be<br>
hosting my office hours on Sunday evening from 8:00pm to 10:00pm in the<br>
UA Office (W20-401)--feel free to drop by if you'd like to speak with m=
e<br>
in person.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jont=E9 Craighead<br>
<br>
Speaker of the Senate<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
Course 1C: Class of 2013<br>
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