[1030] in UA Senate
Re: [IMPORTANT!!!!] They're trying to cut REX. What do we do?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Betsy Riley)
Fri Jan 28 23:50:36 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=E9tTA-YmK96SoMrzYLGkMfsbaNO7XQjBab+8-@mail.gmail.com>
From: Betsy Riley <rileyb@MIT.EDU>
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 23:50:11 -0500
To: Suan Tuang <stuang@mit.edu>
Cc: "Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General)" <ua-secretary@mit.edu>,
William Steadman <willst@mit.edu>,
Jessica Chen <jessicachen.dbhs@gmail.com>,
"Janet Li (UA Public Relations Chair)" <ua-pr-chairs@mit.edu>,
ua-senate@mit.edu, Lauren Jefferson <darkangel6541@gmail.com>
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One thing we're doing in EC is encouraging students to contact faculty
members about changes to REX/Orientation to inform them of the issue and why
students care, get their feedback, and ask for their support. I've attached
some bullet points for students to base their e-mails on. Contacting any
faculty would be helpful, but I've included a list of the Fall GIR
professors since they actually teach freshmen who are supposedly tired after
Orientation. I encourage the other dorm senators to do a similar thing in
their dorms so that we can contact as many faculty as possible before the
next faculty meeting, which is 2/16.
Betsy
*Fall 2010 GIR Professors:*
*
3.091: Donald Sadoway (dsadoway), Ronald Ballinger (hvymet)
5.111: Moungi Bawendi (mgb), Alexander Klibanov (klibanov)
5.112: Moungi Bawendi (mgb), Richard Schrock (rrs)
*
*
*
*7.012: Eric Lander (lander), Robert Weinberg (weinberg@wi)*
*
*
*8.01*: Peter Dourmashkin (padour) (technically not faculty, but still a
good person to e-mail), Alexander Van Oudenaarden (avano), Christoph Paus
(paus), Thomas Greytak (greytak), Deepto Chakrabarty (deepto), Klute (klute)
*8.01L*: Paul Schechter (schech), Stanley Kowalski (kw), Young Lee
(younglee)
*8.012*: Martin Zwierlein (zwierlei), Marin Soljacic (soljacic), Roman
Jackiw (jackiw)
*8.02*: not faculty (George Stephans)
*8.022*: John McGreevy (mcgreevy), David Pritchard (dpritch)
*8.021*: Gabriella Sciolla (sciolla)
*18.01*: Paul Seidel (seidel@math), Ben Brubaker (brubaker@math)
*18.014*: not faculty (Christine Breiner)
*18.01A*: Arthur Mattuck (apm@math)
*18.02*: Bjorn Poonen (poonen@math), Clark Barwick (clarkbar@math), David
Vogan (dav@math)
*18.022*: James McKernan (mckernan@math)
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Suan Tuang <stuang@mit.edu> wrote:
> I was contacted by the president-elects of New House and East Campus
> regarding a potential meeting between the dorm presidents and execs.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General) <
> ua-secretary@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> I assume every Senator, since it's part of their normal job, has already
>> sent an email to their dorm summarizing the meetings and asking for
>> opinions...and those that are really proactive would've gone out and grabbed
>> a few people or called an emergency event like you did.
>>
>> And if you haven't sent an email....please do so soon! =) Summaries of the
>> meeting are on the home page for ua.mit.edu . Use for reference if you
>> need to!
>>
>> Best,
>> Alec
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:35 PM, William Steadman <willst@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Alec did a great job with the minutes. Sent them to senior-house.
>>>
>>> Again, what are we going to do? We need to figure out our plan for the
>>> next
>>> meeting.
>>>
>>> Senior House is having an emergency meeting tonight about this. This is
>>> the
>>> exactly right moment to have a constituency event.
>>>
>>> What are senators doing about this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting "Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General)" <ua-secretary@MIT.EDU>:
>>>
>>> Top of page 7 in the draft minutes addresses this. That's all she said
>>>> about it I believe.
>>>> Top of page 8 had a good counterargument.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jessica Chen <
>>>> jessicachen.dbhs@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone answer as to what led them to believe students are being
>>>>> tired
>>>>> out by Orientation and would prefer to shorten it. I understand their
>>>>> concerns but where did it come about that Orientation length is a
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> ~Jessica Chen
>>>>> MIT 2014
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General) <
>>>>> ua-secretary@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Summary and Draft Minutes for the meeting are already up. They are
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> in a special box on the ua.mit.edu home page for easy access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alec
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Janet Li (UA Public Relations Chair)
>>>>>> <
>>>>>> ua-pr-chairs@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good work, Suan! I hope all other senators have also emailed out to
>>>>>>> their constituencies to notify them of these significant changes to
>>>>>>> orientation and REX that are currently being discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If not, please do so immediately, as it is of utmost importance that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> keep the student body as up to date as we can on these kinds of
>>>>>>> crucial
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Janet Li
>>>>>>> MIT Undergraduate Association <http://ua.mit.edu/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Public Relations Chair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Suan Tuang <stuang@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Senate,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is an email regarding changes in REX from the
>>>>>>>> New
>>>>>>>> House REX Chair.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> Tuang
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Lauren Jefferson <laj51714@mit.edu>
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:01 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT!!!!] They're trying to cut REX. What do we
>>>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>>> To: Suan Tuang <stuang@mit.edu>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tuang,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just as a warning, this is really, really long:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't like the idea of shortening REX. Sure, planning events would
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> easier because there would be fewer, but my dorm (Desmond) is really
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>> from everything. Unless people have a reason, they don't usually
>>>>>>>> come all
>>>>>>>> the way out to New/Next house, which will definitely hurt our REX
>>>>>>>> possibilities. I think it took me until the end of REX to get over
>>>>>>>> how far
>>>>>>>> the walk was. I personally didn't even make my decision to stay in
>>>>>>>> New House
>>>>>>>> until the last day of REX. I'd rather people who I live with to
>>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>> want to live there, rather than grumbling about having no other
>>>>>>>> choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, this smashes the scheduling for things like the East-Side,
>>>>>>>> West-Side parties, and MacG/New/Next party. If I'm interpreting this
>>>>>>>> correctly, there is only one night included in REX. That would mean
>>>>>>>> that, if
>>>>>>>> all three parties were to run, these three groups would be directly
>>>>>>>> competing against each other, resulting in three smaller parties
>>>>>>>> than usual
>>>>>>>> and general money wasting. Also, there's the problem with actually
>>>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>>>> the dorms. Most people don't tour every dorm, but there's 12 dorms
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> participate in REX. If you wanted to see them all, it would take
>>>>>>>> 12/30 hours
>>>>>>>> out of your REX, ignoring the fact that there would likely only be
>>>>>>>> time for
>>>>>>>> one or two sets of tours, which would result in limiting the number
>>>>>>>> of tours
>>>>>>>> anyone could take. Also, there's the problem that it takes ~20
>>>>>>>> minutes to
>>>>>>>> get between EC, Random, and/or Next, or at least it did when I first
>>>>>>>> got
>>>>>>>> there. If you include the orientation events, which I (stupidly)
>>>>>>>> went to
>>>>>>>> instead of REX events, food time, and the radical idea that freshmen
>>>>>>>> actually want to have fun before they're thrown into long lectures
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> endless p-sets, you would have to clone yourself to get everything
>>>>>>>> in. I
>>>>>>>> seriously regretted not going to my own dorm's events because they
>>>>>>>> conflicted with Orientation ones, when, in the long run, learning
>>>>>>>> more about
>>>>>>>> my dorm matters a lot more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norman said in the article that CPW, the i3 videos, and the
>>>>>>>> residence
>>>>>>>> materials would be good indicators for housing selections. During
>>>>>>>> CPW, the
>>>>>>>> main things I did involved scoping out free stuff. I had minimal, if
>>>>>>>> any,
>>>>>>>> thoughts about which dorm I was going to live in IF I decided to go
>>>>>>>> to MIT,
>>>>>>>> and what I originally thought I wanted was completely different from
>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>> actually wanted. We're supposed to be selling why MIT is the best
>>>>>>>> school in
>>>>>>>> the world, not why our dorm is the best dorm in the world. Although
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> awesome dorm is *a* reason why you should go to MIT, it shouldn't be
>>>>>>>> *the
>>>>>>>> *reason why you should go to MIT, especially since you're not
>>>>>>>> guaranteed to live in that dorm. The biggest problems about the i3
>>>>>>>> videos
>>>>>>>> are that they occasionally do not accurately portray a dorm's
>>>>>>>> culture and
>>>>>>>> that the deadlines are announced way too late, or during the middle
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> busiest time of the semester. As an example, I think Desmond has
>>>>>>>> used the
>>>>>>>> same one for the past 5 years (although we're making a new one)
>>>>>>>> because we
>>>>>>>> just haven't had time, and the culture has so drastically changed
>>>>>>>> that it's
>>>>>>>> almost hilarious. I have a lot of friends who ran screaming from
>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>> first-choice temp dorm because they weren't what they expected. I
>>>>>>>> think the
>>>>>>>> one thing that was the most accurate was what was written in the
>>>>>>>> residence
>>>>>>>> hall booklet, but you can't really get an accurate feel for a
>>>>>>>> culture with
>>>>>>>> just a page or two of writing (only half a page if you're in New
>>>>>>>> House,
>>>>>>>> too...). Dorm cultures at MIT aren't just subtle differences, either
>>>>>>>> - it's
>>>>>>>> very possible to just not be able to cope with a dorm situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd have to argue that, short of joining a sorority, my dorm has
>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>> the biggest factor in how I've survived MIT so far. Like I said
>>>>>>>> before, it
>>>>>>>> took me almost the entirety of REX to decide that I was happy with
>>>>>>>> my dorm,
>>>>>>>> and if I had any less time, I would have definitely adjusted out. I
>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>> that whole problem with shortening REX is that it's been established
>>>>>>>> over so
>>>>>>>> many years that the events that everyone looks forward to have just
>>>>>>>> fallen
>>>>>>>> into that time frame. Giving us a third (even less if you count that
>>>>>>>> dorms
>>>>>>>> do events on Thursday and Friday because some FPOPs end early) of
>>>>>>>> that time
>>>>>>>> just means that some people will get the short end of the stick,
>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>> the freshmen. They make the argument that events could start early,
>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>> only reason events ever started early was because there were either
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>> people there that weren't in FPOPs or their FPOPs had already ended,
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> latter being a pretty useless argument if all the FPOPs are going to
>>>>>>>> end
>>>>>>>> early. Also, my experience with FPOPs was that I would finish my
>>>>>>>> FPOP, go
>>>>>>>> back to my dorm, drag myself up the stairs, shower, and collapse
>>>>>>>> into my
>>>>>>>> bed, with little or no energy to do anything else. I know other
>>>>>>>> people felt
>>>>>>>> the same way, too - a lot of FPOPs are either physically or mentally
>>>>>>>> draining. If the faculty is worried that the freshmen are going to
>>>>>>>> be worn
>>>>>>>> out when the semester begins, then events shouldn't start at 8 am or
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> mandatory events take up 5 hours of our day and just have people
>>>>>>>> talking at
>>>>>>>> us. I lost more sleep to waking up early for orientation events than
>>>>>>>> I did
>>>>>>>> to staying up for REX events.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We may have the longest orientation in the country, but we also have
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> of the hardest schools, and one of the the heaviest freshman
>>>>>>>> workloads,
>>>>>>>> regardless of pass/no record. I think Orientation was the last time
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> legitimately had fun without worrying about classes, p-sets or
>>>>>>>> grades,
>>>>>>>> *including* IAP and December break. Our really long orientation is
>>>>>>>> arguably one of the best things about MIT - getting to meet people
>>>>>>>> who share
>>>>>>>> your interests, free food, and no stress.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The administration says they're trying to work better with the
>>>>>>>> student
>>>>>>>> body to compromise, but given the dining plan situation and the fact
>>>>>>>> that it
>>>>>>>> is still a sore spot for many student, I am interested to see how
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> respond to student opinions on this subject. It seems like we will
>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>> do a better job in communicating to the administration the
>>>>>>>> importance of
>>>>>>>> REX.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~Lauren Jefferson, New House CPW/REX Co-Chair
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S.: Clarification: Does the article say that 5-day FPOPs will go
>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>> the Monday that REX starts? If that's the case, than that's even
>>>>>>>> less fair,
>>>>>>>> especially if ASEs also take time out of REX. Also, I know people
>>>>>>>> who took
>>>>>>>> 3-4 ASEs. If they want to talk about freshmen being burnt out, these
>>>>>>>> freshmen would essentially be taking four finals in one day. That
>>>>>>>> would burn
>>>>>>>> ANYONE out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Suan Tuang <stuang@mit.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi New House residents and New House Exec,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope that by now the New House
>>>>>>>>> Exec
>>>>>>>>> knows what has been going on in the UA regarding Chancellor Clay's
>>>>>>>>> charge to
>>>>>>>>> shorten the Orientation<
>>>>>>>>> http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N64/orientation.html>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This basically cuts the REX events from 3 days to 1 day. I strongly
>>>>>>>>> recommend that New House Exec (especially the president and REX
>>>>>>>>> chair) know
>>>>>>>>> what exactly is going on and take appropriate actions regarding
>>>>>>>>> this change
>>>>>>>>> as it will have a strong impact on our future residents and
>>>>>>>>> potentially the
>>>>>>>>> culture of our dorm. I have forwarded the email sent to me by the
>>>>>>>>> East
>>>>>>>>> Campus President-elect James Douberley.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions regarding this matter.
>>>>>>>>> Remember, this change will affect the REX activities (remember all
>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> free foods), but not the orientation events will not be cut. As
>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>> pointed out during the Senate Emergency meeting, "they are
>>>>>>>>> basically taking
>>>>>>>>> away the fun parts of Orientation."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The changes will come directly from UAAP and if you are interested,
>>>>>>>>> feel free to contact the Senior Associate Dean and Director Julie
>>>>>>>>> Normal at
>>>>>>>>> Rm 7-103 and her email is jbnorman@mit.edu. <jbnorman@mit.edu>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much!!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope everyone is enjoying the last days of IAP!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Suan Tuang
>>>>>>>>> UA Senator, New House
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: James Douberley <flipdog@mit.edu>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: New House President
>>>>>>>>> To: stuang@mit.edu
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Tuang,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm wondering who the new president is at New House? I know your
>>>>>>>>> election happens in theory at the end of the fall term and the new
>>>>>>>>> president
>>>>>>>>> should have taken office already, I'm just curious as to who that
>>>>>>>>> is. The
>>>>>>>>> presidents of a number of other dorms are having discussions
>>>>>>>>> regarding the
>>>>>>>>> situation with REX and Orientation, and we'd like the involvement
>>>>>>>>> of the New
>>>>>>>>> House president, if he's interested.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since Max Mann didn't show up to a single DormCon meeting this
>>>>>>>>> term,
>>>>>>>>> right now we have nobody to contact at New House, even though we'd
>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>> be working alongside you all more. So if you could put me in touch
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> new president, it would probably be for the benefit of us all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -James Douberley (EC President-elect)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Suan Tuang
>>>>>>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>>> Class of 2014
>>>>>>>>> <tel:+14075955672> <tel:+14075955672>(407) 595-5672<tel:+14075955672><tel:+14075955672>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lauren Jefferson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>> Class of 2014
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Suan Tuang
>>>>>>>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>>>>>>>> Class of 2014
>>>>>>>> <tel:+14075955672> <tel:+14075955672>(407) 595-5672<tel:+14075955672><tel:+14075955672>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Alec C. Lai
>>>>>> Secretary General
>>>>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ua-secretary@mit.edu | <tel:+14404542942>(440)454-2942<tel:+14404542942><tel:+14404542942>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Alec C. Lai
>>>> Secretary General
>>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>>>
>>>> ua-secretary@mit.edu | <tel:+14404542942>(440)454-2942<tel:+14404542942>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best,
>> Alec C. Lai
>> Secretary General
>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>
>> ua-secretary@mit.edu | (440)454-2942
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Suan Tuang
> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
> Class of 2014
> (407) 595-5672
>
>
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One thing we're doing in EC is encouraging students to contact faculty =
members about changes to REX/Orientation to inform them of the issue and wh=
y students care, get their feedback, and ask for their support. I've at=
tached some bullet points for students to base their e-mails on. Contacting=
any faculty would be helpful, but I've included a list of the Fall GIR=
professors since they actually teach freshmen who are supposedly tired aft=
er Orientation. I encourage the other dorm senators to do a similar thing i=
n their dorms so that we can contact as many faculty as possible before the=
next faculty meeting, which is 2/16.<div>
<br></div><div>Betsy =A0</div><div><br></div><div><b>Fall 2010 GIR Professo=
rs:</b></div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"=
font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse;=
"><div>
<span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-coll=
apse: collapse; "><b><span style=3D"font-weight: normal; "><div><div><font =
color=3D"#404040" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=3D"4"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 14px; "><font color=3D"#000000" face=3D"arial"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size: small; "><b>3.091</b>: Donald Sadoway (dsadoway), Ronald Ba=
llinger (hvymet)</span></font></span></font></div>
</div><div><div><font color=3D"#404040" face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-seri=
f" size=3D"4"><span style=3D"font-size: 14px; "><font color=3D"#000000" fac=
e=3D"arial"><span style=3D"font-size: small; "><b>5.111</b>: Moungi Bawendi=
(mgb), Alexander Klibanov (klibanov)</span></font></span></font></div>
</div><div><b>5.112</b>: Moungi Bawendi (mgb), Richard Schrock (rrs)</div><=
/span></b></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; =
font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><b><br></b></span></div><div>
<span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-coll=
apse: collapse; "><b><span style=3D"font-weight: normal; "><b>7.012</b>: Er=
ic Lander (lander), Robert Weinberg (weinberg@wi)</span></b></span></div><d=
iv>
<span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-coll=
apse: collapse; "><b><span style=3D"font-weight: normal; "><br></span></b><=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: =
13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><b>8.01</b>: Peter Dourmashkin (padour) =
(technically not faculty, but still a good person to e-mail), Alexander Van=
Oudenaarden (avano), Christoph Paus (paus), Thomas Greytak (greytak), Deep=
to Chakrabarty (deepto), Klute (klute)<div>
<div><b>8.01L</b>: Paul Schechter (schech), Stanley Kowalski (kw), Young Le=
e (younglee)</div><div><b>8.012</b>: Martin Zwierlein (zwierlei), Marin Sol=
jacic (soljacic), Roman Jackiw (jackiw)</div><div><br></div><div><b>8.02</b=
>: not faculty (George Stephans)</div>
<div><b>8.022</b>:=A0John McGreevy (mcgreevy), David Pritchard (dpritch)</d=
iv><div><b>8.021</b>: Gabriella Sciolla (sciolla)</div><div><br></div><div>=
<b>18.01</b>: Paul Seidel (seidel@math), Ben Brubaker (brubaker@math)</div>
<div><b>18.014</b>: not faculty (Christine Breiner)</div><div><b>18.01A</b>=
: Arthur Mattuck (apm@math)</div><div><br></div><div><b>18.02</b>: Bjorn Po=
onen (poonen@math), Clark Barwick (clarkbar@math), David Vogan (dav@math)</=
div>
<div><b>18.022</b>: James McKernan (mckernan@math)</div></div></span></div>=
</span><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Suan=
Tuang <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:stuang@mit.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">stuang@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I was contacted by the president-elects of N=
ew House and East Campus regarding a potential meeting between the dorm pre=
sidents and execs.<div>
<div></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at =
7:40 PM, Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General) <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ua-secretary@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-secretary@mit.edu</a>><=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">I assume every Senator,=
since it's part of their normal job, has already sent an email to thei=
r dorm summarizing the meetings and asking for opinions...and those that ar=
e really proactive would've gone out and grabbed a few people or called=
an emergency event like you did.<div>
<br></div><div>And if you haven't sent an email....please do so soon! =
=3D) Summaries of the meeting are on the home page for <a href=3D"http://ua=
.mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua.mit.edu</a> . Use for reference if you need =
to!</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Best,</div><div>Alec</div><div><div><div><div></div><div><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:35 PM, William Steadman <span d=
ir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:willst@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">willst@m=
it.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
Alec did a great job with the minutes. Sent them to senior-house.<br>
<br>
Again, what are we going to do? We need to figure out our plan for the next=
<br>
meeting.<br>
<br>
Senior House is having an emergency meeting tonight about this. This is the=
<br>
exactly right moment to have a constituency event.<br>
<br>
What are senators doing about this?<div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
Quoting "Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General)" <<a href=3D"mailto:u=
a-secretary@MIT.EDU" target=3D"_blank">ua-secretary@MIT.EDU</a>>:<br>
<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><=
/div><div>
Top of page 7 in the draft minutes addresses this. =A0That's all she sa=
id<br>
about it I believe.<br>
Top of page 8 had a good counterargument.<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jessica Chen <<a href=3D"mailto:jessica=
chen.dbhs@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jessicachen.dbhs@gmail.com</a>>wr=
ote:<br>
<br>
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/div><div>
Did anyone answer as to what led them to believe students are being tired<b=
r>
out by Orientation and would prefer to shorten it. I understand their<br>
concerns but where did it come about that Orientation length is a problem.<=
br>
<br>
Just curious<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
~Jessica Chen<br>
MIT 2014<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alec Lai (UA Secretary-General) <<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ua-secretary@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-secretary@mit.=
edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><=
/div><div>
Summary and Draft Minutes for the meeting are already up. =A0They are also<=
br>
in a special box on the <a href=3D"http://ua.mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua.=
mit.edu</a> home page for easy access.<br>
<br>
Alec<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Janet Li (UA Public Relations Chair) <<=
br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ua-pr-chairs@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-pr-chairs@mit.=
edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><=
/div><div>
Good work, Suan! I hope all other senators have also emailed out to<br>
their constituencies to notify them of these significant changes to<br>
orientation and REX that are currently being discussed.<br>
<br>
If not, please do so immediately, as it is of utmost importance that we<br>
keep the student body as up to date as we can on these kinds of crucial<br>
issues.<br>
<br>
Janet Li<br></div></div>
MIT Undergraduate Association <<a href=3D"http://ua.mit.edu/" target=3D"=
_blank">http://ua.mit.edu/</a>><div><div></div><div><br>
Public Relations Chair<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Suan Tuang <<a href=3D"mailto:stuang@mi=
t.edu" target=3D"_blank">stuang@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><=
/div><div>
Hi Senate,<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0This is an email regarding changes in REX f=
rom the New<br>
House REX Chair.<br>
<br>
Thank you very much!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Tuang<br>
<br>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: Lauren Jefferson <<a href=3D"mailto:laj51714@mit.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">laj51714@mit.edu</a>><br>
Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:01 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [IMPORTANT!!!!] They're trying to cut REX. What do we do?<=
br>
To: Suan Tuang <<a href=3D"mailto:stuang@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">stua=
ng@mit.edu</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
Tuang,<br>
<br>
Just as a warning, this is really, really long:<br>
<br>
I don't like the idea of shortening REX. Sure, planning events would be=
<br>
easier because there would be fewer, but my dorm (Desmond) is really far<br=
>
from everything. Unless people have a reason, they don't usually come a=
ll<br>
the way out to New/Next house, which will definitely hurt our REX<br>
possibilities. I think it took me until the end of REX to get over how far<=
br>
the walk was. I personally didn't even make my decision to stay in New =
House<br>
until the last day of REX. I'd rather people who I live with to actuall=
y<br>
want to live there, rather than grumbling about having no other choice.<br>
<br>
Also, this smashes the scheduling for things like the East-Side,<br>
West-Side parties, and MacG/New/Next party. If I'm interpreting this<br=
>
correctly, there is only one night included in REX. That would mean that, i=
f<br>
all three parties were to run, these three groups would be directly<br>
competing against each other, resulting in three smaller parties than usual=
<br>
and general money wasting. Also, there's the problem with actually seei=
ng<br>
the dorms. Most people don't tour every dorm, but there's 12 dorms =
that<br>
participate in REX. If you wanted to see them all, it would take 12/30 hour=
s<br>
out of your REX, ignoring the fact that there would likely only be time for=
<br>
one or two sets of tours, which would result in limiting the number of tour=
s<br>
anyone could take. Also, there's the problem that it takes ~20 minutes =
to<br>
get between EC, Random, and/or Next, or at least it did when I first got<br=
>
there. If you include the orientation events, which I (stupidly) went to<br=
>
instead of REX events, food time, and the radical idea that freshmen<br>
actually want to have fun before they're thrown into long lectures and<=
br>
endless p-sets, you would have to clone yourself to get everything in. I<br=
>
seriously regretted not going to my own dorm's events because they<br>
conflicted with Orientation ones, when, in the long run, learning more abou=
t<br>
my dorm matters a lot more.<br>
<br>
Norman said in the article that CPW, the i3 videos, and the residence<br>
materials would be good indicators for housing selections. During CPW, the<=
br>
main things I did involved scoping out free stuff. I had minimal, if any,<b=
r>
thoughts about which dorm I was going to live in IF I decided to go to MIT,=
<br>
and what I originally thought I wanted was completely different from what I=
<br>
actually wanted. We're supposed to be selling why MIT is the best schoo=
l in<br>
the world, not why our dorm is the best dorm in the world. Although an<br>
awesome dorm is *a* reason why you should go to MIT, it shouldn't be *t=
he<br>
*reason why you should go to MIT, especially since you're not<br>
guaranteed to live in that dorm. The biggest problems about the i3 videos<b=
r>
are that they occasionally do not accurately portray a dorm's culture a=
nd<br>
that the deadlines are announced way too late, or during the middle of the<=
br>
busiest time of the semester. As an example, I think Desmond has used the<b=
r>
same one for the past 5 years (although we're making a new one) because=
we<br>
just haven't had time, and the culture has so drastically changed that =
it's<br>
almost hilarious. I have a lot of friends who ran screaming from their<br>
first-choice temp dorm because they weren't what they expected. I think=
the<br>
one thing that was the most accurate was what was written in the residence<=
br>
hall booklet, but you can't really get an accurate feel for a culture w=
ith<br>
just a page or two of writing (only half a page if you're in New House,=
<br>
too...). Dorm cultures at MIT aren't just subtle differences, either - =
it's<br>
very possible to just not be able to cope with a dorm situation.<br>
<br>
I'd have to argue that, short of joining a sorority, my dorm has been<b=
r>
the biggest factor in how I've survived MIT so far. Like I said before,=
it<br>
took me almost the entirety of REX to decide that I was happy with my dorm,=
<br>
and if I had any less time, I would have definitely adjusted out. I think<b=
r>
that whole problem with shortening REX is that it's been established ov=
er so<br>
many years that the events that everyone looks forward to have just fallen<=
br>
into that time frame. Giving us a third (even less if you count that dorms<=
br>
do events on Thursday and Friday because some FPOPs end early) of that time=
<br>
just means that some people will get the short end of the stick, including<=
br>
the freshmen. They make the argument that events could start early, but the=
<br>
only reason events ever started early was because there were either enough<=
br>
people there that weren't in FPOPs or their FPOPs had already ended, th=
e<br>
latter being a pretty useless argument if all the FPOPs are going to end<br=
>
early. Also, my experience with FPOPs was that I would finish my FPOP, go<b=
r>
back to my dorm, drag myself up the stairs, shower, and collapse into my<br=
>
bed, with little or no energy to do anything else. I know other people felt=
<br>
the same way, too - a lot of FPOPs are either physically or mentally<br>
draining. If the faculty is worried that the freshmen are going to be worn<=
br>
out when the semester begins, then events shouldn't start at 8 am or ma=
ke<br>
mandatory events take up 5 hours of our day and just have people talking at=
<br>
us. I lost more sleep to waking up early for orientation events than I did<=
br>
to staying up for REX events.<br>
<br>
We may have the longest orientation in the country, but we also have one<br=
>
of the hardest schools, and one of the the heaviest freshman workloads,<br>
regardless of pass/no record. I think Orientation was the last time I'v=
e<br>
legitimately had fun without worrying about classes, p-sets or grades,<br>
*including* IAP and December break. Our really long orientation is<br>
arguably one of the best things about MIT - getting to meet people who shar=
e<br>
your interests, free food, and no stress.<br>
<br>
The administration says they're trying to work better with the student<=
br>
body to compromise, but given the dining plan situation and the fact that i=
t<br>
is still a sore spot for many student, I am interested to see how they<br>
respond to student opinions on this subject. It seems like we will have to<=
br>
do a better job in communicating to the administration the importance of<br=
>
REX.<br>
<br>
~Lauren Jefferson, New House CPW/REX Co-Chair<br>
<br>
P.S.: Clarification: Does the article say that 5-day FPOPs will go into<br>
the Monday that REX starts? If that's the case, than that's even le=
ss fair,<br>
especially if ASEs also take time out of REX. Also, I know people who took<=
br>
3-4 ASEs. If they want to talk about freshmen being burnt out, these<br>
freshmen would essentially be taking four finals in one day. That would bur=
n<br>
ANYONE out.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:51 AM, Suan Tuang <<a href=3D"mailto:stuang@mi=
t.edu" target=3D"_blank">stuang@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
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/div><div>
Hi New House residents and New House Exec,<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 I hope tha=
t by now the New House Exec<br>
knows what has been going on in the UA regarding Chancellor Clay's char=
ge to<br></div></div>
shorten the Orientation<<a href=3D"http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N64/orientat=
ion.html" target=3D"_blank">http://tech.mit.edu/V130/N64/orientation.html</=
a>>.<div><br>
This basically cuts the REX events from 3 days to 1 day. I strongly<br>
recommend that New House Exec (especially the president and REX chair) know=
<br>
what exactly is going on and take appropriate actions regarding this change=
<br>
as it will have a strong impact on our future residents and potentially the=
<br>
culture of our dorm. I have forwarded the email sent to me by the East<br>
Campus President-elect James Douberley.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any questions regarding this matter.<br>
Remember, this change will affect the REX activities (remember all those<br=
>
free foods), but not the orientation events will not be cut. As someone<br>
pointed out during the Senate Emergency meeting, "they are basically t=
aking<br>
away the fun parts of Orientation."<br>
<br>
The changes will come directly from UAAP and if you are interested,<br>
feel free to contact the Senior Associate Dean and Director Julie Normal at=
<br></div>
Rm 7-103 and her email is <a href=3D"mailto:jbnorman@mit.edu" target=3D"_bl=
ank">jbnorman@mit.edu</a>. <<a href=3D"mailto:jbnorman@mit.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">jbnorman@mit.edu</a>><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
Thank you very much!!<br>
<br>
Hope everyone is enjoying the last days of IAP!<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Suan Tuang<br>
UA Senator, New House<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: James Douberley <<a href=3D"mailto:flipdog@mit.edu" target=3D"_bla=
nk">flipdog@mit.edu</a>><br>
Date: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM<br>
Subject: New House President<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:stuang@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">stuang@mit.edu</a><=
br>
<br>
<br>
Hey Tuang,<br>
<br>
I'm wondering who the new president is at New House? I know your<br>
election happens in theory at the end of the fall term and the new presiden=
t<br>
should have taken office already, I'm just curious as to who that is. T=
he<br>
presidents of a number of other dorms are having discussions regarding the<=
br>
situation with REX and Orientation, and we'd like the involvement of th=
e New<br>
House president, if he's interested.<br>
<br>
Since Max Mann didn't show up to a single DormCon meeting this term,<br=
>
right now we have nobody to contact at New House, even though we'd love=
to<br>
be working alongside you all more. So if you could put me in touch with the=
<br>
new president, it would probably be for the benefit of us all.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
-James Douberley (EC President-elect)<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Suan Tuang<br>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
Class of 2014<br></div></div>
<tel:+14075955672><a href=3D"tel:+14075955672" target=3D"_blank"></a>=
<a href=3D"tel:+14075955672" target=3D"_blank">(407) 595-5672</a> <tel:+=
14075955672><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
--<div><br>
Lauren Jefferson<br>
<br>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
Class of 2014<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--<br>
Suan Tuang<br>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
Class of 2014<br></div>
<tel:+14075955672><a href=3D"tel:+14075955672" target=3D"_blank"></a>=
<a href=3D"tel:+14075955672" target=3D"_blank">(407) 595-5672</a> <tel:+=
14075955672><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
--<div><br>
Best,<br>
Alec C. Lai<br>
Secretary General<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
<br>
</div><a href=3D"mailto:ua-secretary@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-secretar=
y@mit.edu</a> | <a href=3D"tel:+14404542942" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=
=3D"tel:+14404542942" target=3D"_blank">(440)454-2942</a> <tel:+14404542=
942><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
--<div><br>
Best,<br>
Alec C. Lai<br>
Secretary General<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ua-secretary@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-secretary@mit.=
edu</a> | <a href=3D"tel:+14404542942" target=3D"_blank"></a><a href=3D"tel=
:+14404542942" target=3D"_blank">(440)454-2942</a><br>
<br>
</div></blockquote>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div>-- <br><div>Best,<=
div>Alec C. Lai<div>Secretary General</div><div>MIT Undergraduate Associati=
on</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"mailto:ua-secretary@mit.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">ua-secretary@mit.edu</a> | (440)454-2942</div>
<div><br></div></div><br>
</div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div>-- <br><div>Suan T=
uang<br>Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>Class of 2014<br></div>(40=
7) 595-5672<br><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
</div>
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