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Re: You are being lied to.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Cinjon Resnick)
Tue Apr 6 20:32:02 2010
In-Reply-To: <l2u4852bb3a1004061549mcb16f239q990a80e9f45446eb@mail.gmail.com>
From: Cinjon Resnick <cinjon@MIT.EDU>
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 20:31:35 -0400
To: Rachel Ellison <rellison@mit.edu>
Cc: "Ainsley K. Braun" <ainsleyb@mit.edu>,
Nathan Lachenmyer <scottnla@mit.edu>, Austen McRae <amcrae@mit.edu>,
Clayton Sims <ctsims@mit.edu>, hwkns@mit.edu,
Keri Garel <thekeri@mit.edu>, Jessica H Lowell <jessiehl@mit.edu>,
Martin F Holmes <goholmes@mit.edu>, "Liz A. Denys" <lizdenys@mit.edu>,
Andrew Lukmann <lukymann@mit.edu>, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>,
Nathaniel Fox <natefox@mit.edu>, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>,
Anthony Rindone <arindone@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>,
UA Executive Board <ua-exec@mit.edu>, cfs@mit.edu
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My original statement that it seems antithetical to the *really excellent
goal* of promoting student objectives was targeted towards the idea that the
CFS should "humiliate them [the admins]."
Gathering animosity (into an email thread for example) is not "bitching and
moaning" because that would require some outlet to the targeted audience
first. So I'm not objecting to that. In fact, it's great to see who cares
enough to stamp their name saying so in a public email.
What I am against though is thinking that "humiliating the admins" or
"guerrilla warfare" (in whatever stupid form this comes in) or "fucking shit
up" is at all indicative of a "mature adult" (in whatever form we'd like to
label that this instant).
You are correct about making compromises and being able to call out the
administrators, but there are ways of doing this effectively. Those ways are
in no way correlative to any suggestion that could be described as
"humiliating the admins."
The CFS is not a "stick" to match the UA's "carrot." Labeling it that would
completely undermine any effort to successfully petition the administration
and is just a disturbance. I sincerely doubt anyways that the administration
would view a stupid act by the CFS and then just go rushing into the UA's
arms. Rather, there would be a backlash to student activities.
My point here is to say that CFS should focus on doing something that only
carries positive connotations, whether that is highlighting great aspects of
the current system, highlighting work that has already been done and should
be emphasized, or pushing a future agenda that we would like to see carried
out. But telling them what they are doing wrong is just useless. They
*know*those complaints and at this point they are falling on deaf ears
(when where
they not?).
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Rachel Ellison <rellison@mit.edu> wrote:
> I don't think gathering some animosity against the admins qualifies as
> "bitching and moaning". It might be kind of extreme to imply that they're
> making us incompetent by limiting our dining options, but college is *about*
> learning to handle being mature adults. Which, yes, involves learning to
> make compromises, but also means being able to call the administrators out
> on not wanting to listen to us (when they claim the opposite!).
>
> Also, staying on good terms with the administrators is the UA's job, not
> ours. Just sayin'.
>
> --Rachel
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Ainsley K. Braun <ainsleyb@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Agreed with Cinjon.
>>
>> I don't think the whole underlying purpose of CFS is to bitch and
>> moan. I thought it was a way to make others aware of what is going on
>> in the school.
>>
>> People don't care anymore. There has to be a large revamping of the
>> UA and a new connection made with the administration, which, yes, may
>> involve a lot of ass kissing if we're ever going to get anything done.
>>
>> If anything bitching and moaning would make the admins completely not
>> want to work with us.
>>
>> Think about it.
>> Ainsley
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Cinjon Resnick <cinjon@mit.edu> wrote:
>> > That seems antithetical to the grand idea of promoting student
>> objectives,
>> > which is I believe strongly indicated in the name and spirit of the CFS.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Nathan Lachenmyer <scottnla@mit.edu>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's the UA's job to work with them. It *should* be CFS's job to
>> >> humiliate them until they work with the UA.
>> >>
>> >> Nathan
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Austen McRae wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> If you try to publicly make them lose face, or humiliate them, then
>> they
>> >>> will get more defensive, and we will never make
>> >>> any progress. Whether they are right or wrong, they will stand till
>> the
>> >>> end so they don't lose face. It's human nature;
>> >>> if we were dealing with intellectuals we wouldn't have this problem.
>> >>>
>> >>> As such, I strongly recommend not taking this form of action.
>> >>>
>> >>> My 117 cents,
>> >>>
>> >>> -more cents
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Clayton Sims <ctsims@mit.edu> wrote:
>> >>> If people are forming a PR approach to this issue: I'd recommend
>> >>> focusing on this notion, personally. These
>> >>> administrators (those who don't just fetishize dining hall
>> culture)
>> >>> are working from a common data set which
>> >>> says that:
>> >>>
>> >>> * Students suck at feeding themselves
>> >>> * Dining halls provide quality food which alleviates that problem
>> >>> * Running piece-meal dining programs is expensive and cumbersome
>> >>>
>> >>> Given these statements along with the premise "I have the right
>> to
>> >>> control your actions", mandatory dining
>> >>> seems like an entirely reasonable plan. Arguing with the
>> >>> administration about whether the above elements are
>> >>> true is almost certainly a losing game (given that they don't
>> seem
>> >>> to care, and also that those statements
>> >>> are almost certainly true for large subsets of students, possibly
>> >>> all of them).
>> >>>
>> >>> MIT is upset to lose face in the public's eyes in general, and
>> lose
>> >>> the support of its funders (both alumni
>> >>> and other). If you can't hit MIT in one of those ways, you
>> probably
>> >>> aren't going to get very far. I'd say
>> >>> that trying to humiliate MIT in the eyes of the public and alumni
>> by
>> >>> focusing on how students are
>> >>> increasingly treated like children rather than adults seems like
>> a
>> >>> way to do that.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Don't give money to MIT, it's a waste. Their students are too
>> >>> stupid to feed themselves: How could they
>> >>> build rocket engines?"
>> >>> "MIT graduates are an increasingly undesirable set of people to
>> >>> hire. Being coddled all throughout their
>> >>> college years leaves them unable to deal with real world
>> problems."
>> >>>
>> >>> If you can make the administration actually suffer in meaningful
>> >>> ways (loss of funding, loss of face),
>> >>> they'll acquiesce.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just remember that in many ways this is an argument about
>> framing.
>> >>> It isn't about whether MIT is correct that
>> >>> they will save 5% each year on dining, or whether the dining
>> options
>> >>> are sufficient, or whether students
>> >>> really would save money and eat better if their plan goes
>> through.
>> >>> It's about Freshman on Campus, in loco
>> >>> parentis, and the fact that the MIT student body is comprised of
>> >>> adults who have the right to make their own
>> >>> decisions no matter what. That's what you should all be screaming
>> at
>> >>> the top of your lungs about.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Clayton
>> >>>
>> >>> Daniel Hawkins wrote:
>> >>> Charles Stewart and John Essigman are fine people, but
>> their
>> >>> perspective (at least on dining
>> >>> matters) is very much "it doesn't matter what students say;
>> we
>> >>> know what's best for them."
>> >>>
>> >>> -hwkns
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Keri Garel <thekeri@mit.edu
>> >>> <mailto:thekeri@mit.edu>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I second the recommendation of Matt McGann and also strongly
>> >>> suggest avoiding Dean Randolph.
>> >>>
>> >>> Charles Stewart and John Essigmann are housemasters of McCormick
>> >>> and Simmons (respectively) - I've worked with both of them in the
>> >>> past, and they'd both be good people to turn to.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Keri
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jessica H Lowell <jessiehl@mit.edu
>> >>> <mailto:jessiehl@mit.edu>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I second Winston and Wartman (and I would add Abelson,
>> >>> Sussman, and Slocum to
>> >>> the category of sympathetic profs. Gray somewhat varies by
>> >>> issue - I have no
>> >>> idea what he thinks about Dining. Personally, I wouldn't
>> >>> generally take senior
>> >>> admins into my confidence on controversial issues - they can
>> >>> be helpful to work
>> >>> with, but there's a difference between a helpful partner and
>> >>> someone you really
>> >>> trust. Hastings and Lerman both signed on to today's letter
>> >>> in the Tech - make
>> >>> of that what you will.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would add Matt McGann in Admissions as someone I'd trust
>> >>> absolutely and who
>> >>> can give good advice.
>> >>>
>> >>> I *strongly* dis-recommend Randolph.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Jessie
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Quoting Martin F Holmes <goholmes@MIT.EDU
>> >>> <mailto:goholmes@MIT.EDU>>:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Whenever I got the impression that students were being
>> >>> manipulated by the
>> >>> administration, there were a few key people I always went
>> >>> to for advice or
>> >>> help. Here's my laundry list of great contacts that you
>> >>> can be very forward
>> >>> and upfront with and who will listen to you and provide
>> >>> solid confidential
>> >>> advice:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dan Hastings (Dean for Undergraduate Education, not
>> >>> involved with DSL but great
>> >>> advocate and still has influence, respect, and power with
>> >>> senior admins)
>> >>>
>> >>> Bish Sanyal (former Chair of the Faculty, very sympathetic
>> >>> to student concerns,
>> >>> not sure of his current sway as former chair though)
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul Gray (former President, hard to get a meeting with,
>> >>> not directly involved
>> >>> with administration, but can provide you with great advice
>> >>> and still use his
>> >>> weight when he desires to add pressure to a situation)
>> >>>
>> >>> Phil Walsh (Director of Campus Activities Complex, very
>> >>> experienced and
>> >>> knowledgeable, able to provide good advice, has some sway
>> >>> within DSL and great
>> >>> experience with dining in the past)
>> >>>
>> >>> Anne McCants (former Chair of Faculty Committee on Student
>> >>> Life, huge student
>> >>> advocate, likely still has some influence within DSL)
>> >>>
>> >>> Jim Champy (one of the most influence members of the
>> >>> Corporation, member of
>> >>> Executive Committee of the Corporation, very difficult to
>> >>> get ahold of and
>> >>> likely requires a meeting request from Mike, Maggie,
>> >>> Vrajesh, or Sammi, a huge
>> >>> student ally although he usually works behind the scenes,
>> >>> provides very
>> >>> reasonable and balanced advice, has a ton of sway withing
>> >>> all levels of MIT)
>> >>>
>> >>> Steve Lerman (Vice Chancellor, about to leave MIT,
>> >>> provides awesome confidential
>> >>> advice, listens well to students, has huge sway within the
>> >>> administration but
>> >>> that may be subsiding given his pending departure from MIT)
>> >>>
>> >>> Rafael Reif (Provost, hard to get a meeting with, listens
>> >>> and sympathizes with
>> >>> students but requires a degree of tact since he's clearly
>> >>> a member of the
>> >>> senior admin, has a tremendous amount of sway and leverage)
>> >>>
>> >>> Dana Mead (Chairman of the Corporation, retiring at end of
>> >>> year, strong student
>> >>> advocate but also requires tremendous tact since he is a
>> >>> senior leader of MIT,
>> >>> tremendous amount of sway)
>> >>>
>> >>> Patrick Winston (Professor, very sympathetic to student
>> >>> concerns and provides
>> >>> good advice, limited sway withing DSL)
>> >>>
>> >>> Jed Wartman (limited sway but provides good sound advice)
>> >>>
>> >>> Robert Randolph (limited sway but provides good sound
>> advice)
>> >>>
>> >>> I'd also recommend combing through recent issues of The
>> >>> Tech and Faculty
>> >>> Newsletter to identify other members of the faculty,
>> >>> administratior, or
>> >>> Corporation that you feel like may be strong student
>> >>> advocates.
>> >>>
>> >>> Martin
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Quoting "Liz A. Denys" <lizdenys@MIT.EDU
>> >>> <mailto:lizdenys@MIT.EDU>>:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a pretty well established relationship with
>> >>> Muriel. I'll try to meet with her this week.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Liz
>> >>>
>> >>> Andrew Lukmann wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Ted,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm sorry to hear that, but it certainly makes
>> >>> sense given my experience with her when she was an
>> >>> Asst. Housemaster at Simmons (5-7 yrs. ago). I
>> >>> mentioned her mostly for the fact that she is one
>> >>> of the few people who are usually willing to talk
>> >>> with students and who, by the nature of her
>> >>> position, has some real leverage over DSL. In
>> >>> general, she's probably someone that active
>> >>> student advocates should build a relationship with
>> >>> - even if she proves to be altogether unhelpful on
>> >>> the dining front, she may be willing to take a
>> >>> stand on other things that students care about.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Andrew L.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ted Hilk wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Andrew,
>> >>>
>> >>> The last time I spoke with Prof. Muriel
>> >>> Medard, she was trying to justify reducing
>> >>> financial aid by $1400 for students opting out
>> >>> of the dining plan when the actual difference
>> >>> in expenses between dining hall food and
>> >>> cooking for oneself over a year is only $500
>> >>> on average. Nevermind the fact that this
>> >>> would essentially be predicating student aid
>> >>> on student choices (should I get extra
>> >>> financial aid if I want a new computer?).
>> >>> After half an hour she finally admitted that
>> >>> the amount was arbitrary and that the extra
>> >>> deduction was solely intended to 'encourage'
>> >>> students to buy into the dining system. She
>> >>> is very polite and willing to talk at great
>> >>> length about issues, but I'm afraid she does
>> >>> not appear to be in support of the student
>> >>> perspective on this matter.
>> >>>
>> >>> Ted
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Andrew Lukmann
>> >>> <lukymann@mit.edu <mailto:lukymann@mit.edu>
>> >>> <mailto:lukymann@mit.edu
>> >>>
>> >>> <mailto:lukymann@mit.edu>>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Jessie (and everybody else)...
>> >>>
>> >>> Like you pointed out, a number of reliable
>> >>> student allies in the
>> >>> administration have moved on and on the
>> >>> whole, less cooperative
>> >>> people have replaced them. Without a guy
>> >>> like Immer or Larry to go
>> >>> to, this generation of student leaders is
>> >>> (I believe) having a
>> >>> harder leveraging their relationships than
>> >>> we did. That said,
>> >>> there are still a number of people who
>> >>> might have a bit of pull in
>> >>> DSL that I would recommend people engage,
>> >>> if they haven't already:
>> >>> Phil Walsh (CAC), Ann McCants (former
>> >>> faculty CSL chair), Muriel
>> >>> Medard (CSL chair - though her opinions on
>> >>> dining might be
>> >>> well-ingrained). Also, even though he is on
>> >>> his way out, I've
>> >>> always found Steve Lerman to be a friend to
>> >>> students and he might
>> >>> be in the position to speak (or act) a
>> >>> little more freely now that
>> >>> he is moving to GWU.
>> >>>
>> >>> I think it's great to see a number of
>> >>> students realizing that they
>> >>> need to hold administrators feet to the
>> >>> fire when they fall short
>> >>> of their own rhetoric/promises regarding
>> >>> meaningfully engaging
>> >>> students on important issues. If you (and I
>> >>> do mean all of you)
>> >>> don't make it difficult (or embarrassing)
>> >>> for them to ignore you,
>> >>> they will never have any incentive to act
>> >>> in your best interest
>> >>> any time it conflicts with the easiest path
>> >>> to their goals (in
>> >>> this case, dining cost effectiveness).
>> >>>
>> >>> Keep it up!
>> >>> -Andrew L.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jessica H Lowell wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Quoting Daniel Hawkins <hwkns@MIT.EDU
>> >>> <mailto:hwkns@MIT.EDU> <mailto:hwkns@MIT.EDU
>> >>>
>> >>> <mailto:hwkns@MIT.EDU>>>:
>> >>>
>> >>> Jessie,
>> >>>
>> >>> We tried coming up with our own
>> >>> proposal last year (DPC).
>> >>> Admins keep
>> >>> calling it "an important piece of
>> >>> student input" and
>> >>> completely ignoring its
>> >>> contents. What's driving this is
>> >>> the desire to eliminate
>> >>> the deficit and
>> >>> "build community" around dining,
>> >>> which involves less
>> >>> choice and more money
>> >>> (but not MIT's money - they need to
>> >>> eliminate the
>> >>> deficit). Those are
>> >>> principles that everyone in the
>> >>> administration (that I'm
>> >>> aware of) agrees
>> >>> on. I haven't talked to Matt -
>> >>> I'll send him an e-mail.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yeah, I saw the proposal. It looked
>> >>> like a good step. It's
>> >>> the same old story
>> >>> with Dining. When I dealt with that,
>> >>> though, it was easier,
>> >>> because larryben
>> >>> (Columbo's predecessor) was still
>> >>> around and he was on our side.
>> >>>
>> >>> Who does Columbo listen to? Presumably
>> >>> Phil Clay, but I doubt
>> >>> Clay's useful
>> >>> here. Immerman's gone, so that's a
>> >>> non-starter. The FSILGs
>> >>> generally have a
>> >>> stake in students not getting screwed
>> >>> over on Dining, since
>> >>> less choice often
>> >>> hurts their frosh and on-campus members
>> >>> - is anyone on the
>> >>> FSILG side of the
>> >>> Student Life staff persuadable and
>> >>> trusted by Columbo? Could
>> >>> any of the RLAs
>> >>> help here? If Admissions has any
>> >>> influence with Columbo,
>> >>> which they may not,
>> >>> they'd likely be willing to help you
>> >>> out with him.
>> >>>
>> >>> It sounds like if you keep working
>> >>> primarily with Columbo,
>> >>> you're not going to
>> >>> get anywhere. Obviously, you have to
>> >>> work with him,
>> >>> communicate with him, not
>> >>> antagonize him too much. But that
>> >>> doesn't mean you can't work
>> >>> with other
>> >>> people (sounds like a good project for
>> >>> a senator or two!).
>> >>> And if you can dig
>> >>> up administrative allies, they might be
>> >>> able to make more
>> >>> progress with Columbo
>> >>> than you can.
>> >>>
>> >>> Have you bugged your rich
>> >>> potential-big-donor alumni? Many
>> >>> FSILGs and some dorm
>> >>> living groups keep in contact with a
>> >>> lot of their alumni, and
>> >>> might be able to
>> >>> dig up a few wealthy folks who would be
>> >>> pissed about students
>> >>> being screwed
>> >>> over on dining.
>> >>>
>> >>> The UA has little real power given to
>> >>> it - it has to find ways
>> >>> to manufacture
>> >>> its own.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Jessie
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Liz A. Denys
>> >>> lizdenys@mit.edu <mailto:lizdenys@mit.edu>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> Keri Garel
>> >>> Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences
>> >>> MIT Class of 2010
>> >>> thekeri@mit.edu <mailto:thekeri@mit.edu>
>> >>> http://keri.mitblogs.com/
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ainsley K. Braun
>> Massachusetts Institute of Technology
>> Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences
>> Class of 2010
>> ainsleyb@mit.edu
>> 603.957.2822
>>
>
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My original statement that it seems antithetical to the *really excellent g=
oal* of promoting student objectives was targeted towards the idea that the=
CFS should "humiliate them [the admins]."<br><br>Gathering animo=
sity (into an email thread for example) is not "bitching and moaning&q=
uot; because that would require some outlet to the targeted audience first.=
So I'm not objecting to that. In fact, it's great to see who cares=
enough to stamp their name saying so in a public email.<br>
<br>What I am against though is thinking that "humiliating the admins&=
quot; or "guerrilla warfare" (in whatever stupid form this comes =
in) or "fucking shit up" is at all indicative of a "mature a=
dult" (in whatever form we'd like to label that this instant). <br=
>
You are correct about making compromises and being able to call out the adm=
inistrators, but there are ways of doing this effectively. Those ways are i=
n no way correlative to any suggestion that could be described as "hum=
iliating the admins." <br>
The CFS is not a "stick" to match the UA's "carrot."=
; Labeling it that would completely undermine any effort to successfully pe=
tition the administration and is just a disturbance. I sincerely doubt anyw=
ays that the administration would view a stupid act by the CFS and then jus=
t go rushing into the UA's arms. Rather, there would be a backlash to s=
tudent activities.<br>
<br>My point here is to say that CFS should focus on doing something that o=
nly carries positive connotations, whether that is highlighting great aspec=
ts of the current system, highlighting work that has already been done and =
should be emphasized, or pushing a future agenda that we would like to see =
carried out. But telling them what they are doing wrong is just useless. Th=
ey <u><b>know</b></u> those complaints and at this point they are falling o=
n deaf ears (when where they not?). <br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Rachel E=
llison <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rellison@mit.edu">rellison@m=
it.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); paddi=
ng-left: 1ex;">
I don't think gathering some animosity against the admins qualifies as =
"bitching and moaning". It might be kind of extreme to imply that=
they're making us incompetent by limiting our dining options, but coll=
ege is *about* learning to handle being mature adults. Which, yes, involves=
learning to make compromises, but also means being able to call the admini=
strators out on not wanting to listen to us (when they claim the opposite!)=
.<br>
<br>Also, staying on good terms with the administrators is the UA's job=
, not ours. Just sayin'.<br><font color=3D"#888888"><br>--Rachel<br><br=
></font><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at=
6:41 PM, Ainsley K. Braun <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ainsleyb=
@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ainsleyb@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204=
); padding-left: 1ex;">Agreed with Cinjon.<br>
<br>
I don't think the whole underlying purpose of CFS is to bitch and<br>
moan. =A0I thought it was a way to make others aware of what is going on<br=
>
in the school.<br>
<br>
People don't care anymore. =A0There has to be a large revamping of the<=
br>
UA and a new connection made with the administration, which, yes, may<br>
involve a lot of ass kissing if we're ever going to get anything done.<=
br>
<br>
If anything bitching and moaning would make the admins completely not<br>
want to work with us.<br>
<br>
Think about it.<br>
Ainsley<br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Cinjon Resnick <<a href=3D"mailto:cinjon=
@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">cinjon@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
> That seems antithetical to the grand idea of promoting student objecti=
ves,<br>
> which is I believe strongly indicated in the name and spirit of the CF=
S.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Nathan Lachenmyer <<a href=3D"mailt=
o:scottnla@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">scottnla@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> It's the UA's job to work with them. =A0It *should* be CFS=
's job to<br>
>> humiliate them until they work with the UA.<br>
>><br>
>> Nathan<br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Austen McRae wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> If you try to publicly make them lose face, or humiliate them,=
then they<br>
>>> will get more defensive, and we will never make<br>
>>> any progress.=A0 Whether they are right or wrong, they will st=
and till the<br>
>>> end so they don't lose face.=A0 It's human nature;<br>
>>> if we were dealing with intellectuals we wouldn't have thi=
s problem.<br>
>>><br>
>>> As such, I strongly recommend not taking this form of action.<=
br>
>>><br>
>>> My 117 cents,<br>
>>><br>
>>> -more cents<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Clayton Sims <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:ctsims@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ctsims@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0If people are forming a PR approach to this issue: =
I'd recommend<br>
>>> focusing on this notion, personally. These<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0administrators (those who don't just fetishize =
dining hall culture)<br>
>>> are working from a common data set which<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0says that:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0* Students suck at feeding themselves<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0* Dining halls provide quality food which alleviate=
s that problem<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0* Running piece-meal dining programs is expensive a=
nd cumbersome<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Given these statements along with the premise "=
;I have the right to<br>
>>> control your actions", mandatory dining<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0seems like an entirely reasonable plan. Arguing wit=
h the<br>
>>> administration about whether the above elements are<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0true is almost certainly a losing game (given that =
they don't seem<br>
>>> to care, and also that those statements<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0are almost certainly true for large subsets of stud=
ents, possibly<br>
>>> all of them).<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0MIT is upset to lose face in the public's eyes =
in general, and lose<br>
>>> the support of its funders (both alumni<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0and other). If you can't hit MIT in one of thos=
e ways, you probably<br>
>>> aren't going to get very far. I'd say<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0that trying to humiliate MIT in the eyes of the pub=
lic and alumni by<br>
>>> focusing on how students are<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0increasingly treated like children rather than adul=
ts seems like a<br>
>>> way to do that.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0"Don't give money to MIT, it's a waste=
. Their students are too<br>
>>> stupid to feed themselves: How could they<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0build rocket engines?"<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0"MIT graduates are an increasingly undesirable=
set of people to<br>
>>> hire. Being coddled all throughout their<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0college years leaves them unable to deal with real =
world problems."<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0If you can make the administration actually suffer =
in meaningful<br>
>>> ways (loss of funding, loss of face),<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0they'll acquiesce.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Just remember that in many ways this is an argument=
about framing.<br>
>>> It isn't about whether MIT is correct that<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0they will save 5% each year on dining, or whether t=
he dining options<br>
>>> are sufficient, or whether students<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0really would save money and eat better if their pla=
n goes through.<br>
>>> It's about Freshman on Campus, in loco<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0parentis, and the fact that the MIT student body is=
comprised of<br>
>>> adults who have the right to make their own<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0decisions no matter what. That's what you shoul=
d all be screaming at<br>
>>> the top of your lungs about.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0-Clayton<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0Daniel Hawkins wrote:<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Charles Stewart and John Essigman are f=
ine people, but their<br>
>>> perspective (at least on dining<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0matters) is very much "it doesn=
9;t matter what students say; we<br>
>>> know what's best for them."<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-hwkns<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Keri Garel <<a href=3D"mail=
to:thekeri@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">thekeri@mit.edu</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:thekeri@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank=
">thekeri@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0I second the recommendation of Matt McGann and also str=
ongly<br>
>>> =A0 =A0suggest avoiding Dean Randolph.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0Charles Stewart and John Essigmann are housemasters of =
McCormick<br>
>>> =A0 =A0and Simmons (respectively) - I've worked with both =
of them in the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0past, and they'd both be good people to turn to.<br=
>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0-Keri<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Jessica H Lowell <<a=
href=3D"mailto:jessiehl@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">jessiehl@mit.edu</a><br=
>
>>> =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:jessiehl@mit.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">jessiehl@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I second Winston and Wartman (and I would add A=
belson,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Sussman, and Slocum to<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the category of sympathetic profs. =A0Gray some=
what varies by<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0issue - I have no<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0idea what he thinks about Dining. =A0Personally=
, I wouldn't<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0generally take senior<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0admins into my confidence on controversial issu=
es - they can<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0be helpful to work<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with, but there's a difference between a he=
lpful partner and<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0someone you really<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0trust. =A0Hastings and Lerman both signed on to=
today's letter<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in the Tech - make<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0of that what you will.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I would add Matt McGann in Admissions as someon=
e I'd trust<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0absolutely and who<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0can give good advice.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I *strongly* dis-recommend Randolph.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- Jessie<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Quoting Martin F Holmes <<a href=3D"mailto:g=
oholmes@MIT.EDU" target=3D"_blank">goholmes@MIT.EDU</a><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:goholmes@MIT.EDU" =
target=3D"_blank">goholmes@MIT.EDU</a>>>:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Whenever I got the impression that stud=
ents were being<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0manipulated by the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0administration, there were a few key pe=
ople I always went<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to for advice or<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0help. =A0Here's my laundry list of =
great contacts that you<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0can be very forward<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0and upfront with and who will listen to=
you and provide<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0solid confidential<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0advice:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dan Hastings (Dean for Undergraduate Ed=
ucation, not<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0involved with DSL but great<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0advocate and still has influence, respe=
ct, and power with<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0senior admins)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Bish Sanyal (former Chair of the Facult=
y, very sympathetic<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to student concerns,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0not sure of his current sway as former =
chair though)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Paul Gray (former President, hard to ge=
t a meeting with,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0not directly involved<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with administration, but can provide yo=
u with great advice<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0and still use his<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0weight when he desires to add pressure =
to a situation)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Phil Walsh (Director of Campus Activiti=
es Complex, very<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0experienced and<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0knowledgeable, able to provide good adv=
ice, has some sway<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0within DSL and great<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0experience with dining in the past)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Anne McCants (former Chair of Faculty C=
ommittee on Student<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Life, huge student<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0advocate, likely still has some influen=
ce within DSL)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jim Champy (one of the most influence m=
embers of the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Corporation, member of<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Executive Committee of the Corporation,=
very difficult to<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0get ahold of and<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0likely requires a meeting request from =
Mike, Maggie,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Vrajesh, or Sammi, a huge<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0student ally although he usually works =
behind the scenes,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0provides very<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0reasonable and balanced advice, has a t=
on of sway withing<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0all levels of MIT)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Steve Lerman (Vice Chancellor, about to=
leave MIT,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0provides awesome confidential<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0advice, listens well to students, has h=
uge sway within the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0administration but<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0that may be subsiding given his pending=
departure from MIT)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Rafael Reif (Provost, hard to get a mee=
ting with, listens<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0and sympathizes with<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0students but requires a degree of tact =
since he's clearly<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0a member of the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0senior admin, has a tremendous amount o=
f sway and leverage)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Dana Mead (Chairman of the Corporation,=
retiring at end of<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0year, strong student<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0advocate but also requires tremendous t=
act since he is a<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0senior leader of MIT,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0tremendous amount of sway)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Patrick Winston (Professor, very sympat=
hetic to student<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0concerns and provides<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0good advice, limited sway withing DSL)<=
br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jed Wartman (limited sway but provides =
good sound advice)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Robert Randolph (limited sway but provi=
des good sound advice)<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I'd also recommend combing through =
recent issues of The<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Tech and Faculty<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Newsletter to identify other members of=
the faculty,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0administratior, or<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Corporation that you feel like may be s=
trong student<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0advocates.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Martin<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Quoting "Liz A. Denys" <<a=
href=3D"mailto:lizdenys@MIT.EDU" target=3D"_blank">lizdenys@MIT.EDU</a><br=
>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:lizdenys@M=
IT.EDU" target=3D"_blank">lizdenys@MIT.EDU</a>>>:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I have a pretty well establishe=
d relationship with<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Muriel. I'll try to meet wi=
th her this week.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-Liz<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Andrew Lukmann wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hey Ted,<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I'm sorry to hear t=
hat, but it certainly makes<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0sense given my experien=
ce with her when she was an<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Asst. Housemaster at Si=
mmons (5-7 yrs. ago). I<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0mentioned her mostly fo=
r the fact that she is one<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0of the few people who a=
re usually willing to talk<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with students and who, =
by the nature of her<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0position, has some real=
leverage over DSL. In<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0general, she's prob=
ably someone that active<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0student advocates shoul=
d build a relationship with<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0- even if she proves to=
be altogether unhelpful on<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the dining front, she m=
ay be willing to take a<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0stand on other things t=
hat students care about.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-Andrew L.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ted Hilk wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Hey Andrew,<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The last time I=
spoke with Prof. Muriel<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Medard, she was=
trying to justify reducing<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0financial aid b=
y $1400 for students opting out<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0of the dining p=
lan when the actual difference<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0in expenses bet=
ween dining hall food and<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0cooking for one=
self over a year is only $500<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0on average. =A0=
Nevermind the fact that this<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0would essential=
ly be predicating student aid<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0on student choi=
ces (should I get extra<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0financial aid i=
f I want a new computer?).<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 After half an =
hour she finally admitted that<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the amount was =
arbitrary and that the extra<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0deduction was s=
olely intended to 'encourage'<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0students to buy=
into the dining system. =A0She<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0is very polite =
and willing to talk at great<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0length about is=
sues, but I'm afraid she does<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0not appear to b=
e in support of the student<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0perspective on =
this matter.<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ted<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0On Sun, Apr 4, =
2010 at 7:12 PM, Andrew Lukmann<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<<a href=3D"=
mailto:lukymann@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">lukymann@mit.edu</a> <mailto:=
<a href=3D"mailto:lukymann@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">lukymann@mit.edu</a>&=
gt;<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:lukymann@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">lukymann@mit.edu</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<mailto:<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:lukymann@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">lukymann@mit.edu</a>>&=
gt;> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Hey Jessie=
(and everybody else)...<br>
>>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Like you p=
ointed out, a number of reliable<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0student allies =
in the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 administra=
tion have moved on and on the<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0whole, less coo=
perative<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 people hav=
e replaced them. Without a guy<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0like Immer or L=
arry to go<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 to, this g=
eneration of student leaders is<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(I believe) hav=
ing a<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 harder lev=
eraging their relationships than<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0we did. That sa=
id,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 there are =
still a number of people who<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0might have a bi=
t of pull in<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 DSL that I=
would recommend people engage,<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0if they haven&#=
39;t already:<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Phil Walsh=
(CAC), Ann McCants (former<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0faculty CSL cha=
ir), Muriel<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Medard (CS=
L chair - though her opinions on<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0dining might be=
<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 well-ingra=
ined). Also, even though he is on<br>
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cause larryben<br>
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nerally have a<br>
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lp here? =A0If Admissions has any<br>
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ich they may not,<br>
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ey'd likely be willing to help you<br>
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sounds like if you keep working<br>
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Columbo,<br>
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u're not going to<br>
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mmunicate with him, not<br>
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tagonize him too much. =A0But that<br>
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n you can't work<br>
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th other<br>
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ople (sounds like a good project for<br>
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o!).<br>
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=A0And if you can dig<br>
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administrative allies, they might be<br>
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re<br>
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ogress with Columbo<br>
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an you can.<br>
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ve you bugged your rich<br>
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onor alumni? =A0Many<br>
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ILGs and some dorm<br>
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ving groups keep in contact with a<br>
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umni, and<br>
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ght be able to<br>
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udents<br>
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ing screwed<br>
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er on dining.<br>
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e UA has little real power given to<br>
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manufacture<br>
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s own.<br>
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Jessie<br>
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>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 Liz A. Denys<br>
>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:lizdenys@mit.=
edu" target=3D"_blank">lizdenys@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:li=
zdenys@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">lizdenys@mit.edu</a>><br>
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>>> =A0 =A0--<br>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------=
--<br>
>>> =A0 =A0Keri Garel<br>
>>> =A0 =A0Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences<br>
>>> =A0 =A0MIT Class of 2010<br>
>>> =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:thekeri@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">th=
ekeri@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:thekeri@mit.edu" target=3D"_=
blank">thekeri@mit.edu</a>><br>
>>> =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://keri.mitblogs.com/" target=3D"_blank"=
>http://keri.mitblogs.com/</a><br>
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<br>
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<br>
</div></div>--<br>
Ainsley K. Braun<br>
Massachusetts Institute of Technology<br>
<div>Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences<br>
</div>Class of 2010<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ainsleyb@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ainsleyb@mit.edu</a><=
br>
603.957.2822<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div><br>
</blockquote></div><br>
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