[167] in UA Exec
Re: Notification of 'Printer in the W20 "Game Room"' Project
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Janet Li)
Sun Dec 6 02:22:20 2009
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0912052346140.30247@dr-wily.mit.edu>
From: Janet Li <jli12@MIT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 02:21:47 -0500
To: Quentin Smith <quentin@mit.edu>
Cc: Geoffrey Thomas <geofft@mit.edu>,
"Vrajesh Modi (UA Special Projects Committee)" <ua-projects-chairs@mit.edu>,
Owen Derby <oderby@mit.edu>, ua-senate@mit.edu, ua-exec@mit.edu
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We should name it Modi.
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Janet Li
MIT Class of 2012
Dept. of Biological Engineering
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Quentin Smith <quentin@mit.edu> wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:
>
> Wait, so this is a proposal for the UA to spend $1500 towards moving a
>> printer from W20-575 downstairs and replacing it with a new one, when
>> there's already a broken printer (ceres) in W20 that almost certainly needs
>> to be replaced anyway?
>>
>
> IS&T is funding the purchase of the new printer, which they probably would
> have done anyway. I believe the intent is for the UA's money to contribute
> only to physical security; this may include adding card access or electronic
> passcode locks.
>
>
> Presumably the replacement printer is the same model as bias, the Dell
>> 5310n printer in the 12-182 cluster, to which various review sites on the
>> web attribute a 50ppm speed and a "fast" warmup time. I think this is the
>> model IS&T is/was planning to replace dying cluster printers with because
>> the HP 8150s are kind of old. (Although I haven't seen this happen anywhere
>> other than bias, I'm assuming because of budget cuts.) List price is $865
>> from Dell's website.
>>
>
> You are presuming wrong - the current plan is to put in a fast Xerox
> printer.
>
>
> What's more, IS&T is spending _at least five thousand dollars_, with no
>> current stated budget cap, on this? Is this going to be locked down any more
>> than, say, quick-print in the building 11 quickstation cluster on the
>> Infinite (which just has the standard KSL mechanism and an always-open
>> door), and if so, why? The KSL security pad is $70 from their web order
>> form.
>>
>
> It's not completely clear yet, but this is the last Senate meeting of the
> term, and thus the last chance to request any funding for the project, which
> is likely to happen during IAP.
>
>
> So the UA could easily buy those two items, get CAC to set up a table in
>> the arcade or next to the staircase quickstations, and set it up themselves,
>> which would save the UA $750, save IS&T $5000, and keep six printers in
>> W20-575.
>>
>
> See above; your numbers are based on a false assumption. Also, it is
> likely, though not for sure yet, that w20color will move into W20-575 and
> thus there will still be six printers, including a color one.
>
>
> Lest someone complain that I didn't include consumables in this budget,
>> third-party toner cartridges for the 5310n are $100 for 30,000 pages. If you
>> were to blow every cent of the UA's remaining $750 on toner over a single
>> academic year, that's something like over a thousand pages a day, way more
>> than it sounds like we're expecting this to be used.
>>
>> I encourage at least my senators to vote against funding for this project
>> in its present form. I don't deny that an Athena printer on W20-1 would be
>> pretty awesome (I remember wanting one once or twice this term), but the
>> present budget sounds exorbitant, and I'm skeptical that this is the best
>> use of Senate's discretionary funds -- as well as of $5000 of IS&T's money
>> that could go towards upgrading quickstation or cluster machines to faster
>> ones, upgrading all six of the W20-575 printers to Dells, etc.
>>
>
> --Quentin
> UA Chief of Information Technology
>
>
>
>> --
>> Geoffrey Thomas
>> geofft@mit.edu
>>
>> Disclaimer: In addition to being a UA constituent, I am also an IS&T
>> employee (RCC) and Athena developer. I am most definitely not speaking with
>> either of those two latter hats on, and I have not spoken to anyone in IS&T
>> about this current proposal, nor is any information that I think wouldn't be
>> easily available to any other undergrad figuring in to my response.
>>
>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Vrajesh Modi (UA Special Projects Committee) wrote:
>>
>> Good question - a new one will be purchased, and an old one will be taken
>>> out of service. IS&T will service the new printer, but they don't want
>>> the total amount that they spend to go up, so they'll stop servicing the
>>> one that they remove from the 5th floor.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Vrajesh
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Owen Derby <oderby@mit.edu> wrote:
>>> Vrajesh,
>>>
>>> You mention the printer will be removed from the 5th floor to
>>> "avoid ongoing costs to IS&T". Do you mean that a printer
>>> from the 5th floor will be relocated to the 1st floor, or a
>>> new one will be purchased? And if IS&T will no longer be
>>> servicing the printer, who/where will the upkeep and
>>> consumables(ink,paper) funding come from?
>>>
>>> Sounds like a great idea to me!
>>>
>>> -Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Vrajesh Modi (UA Special Projects
>>> Committee) <ua-projects-chairs@mit.edu> wrote:
>>> This message is being sent to formally notify Senate
>>> and Exec about the 'Printer in the W20 "Game Room"'
>>> project (in accordance with section 4.1 of the Cover
>>> Letter to the Fall 2009 Budget).
>>>
>>> This project entails replacing one of the printers on
>>> the 5th floor with a "blazingly fast" (50ppm duplex,
>>> ~6s from power save to first page) printer and
>>> quickstation in the former game room on the first floor
>>> of W20 (Student Center). This project will save
>>> students' time by allowing them to quickly print
>>> something on their way to class on the first floor
>>> instead of having to go the the 5th floor Athena
>>> cluster. A printer on the 5th floor would be removed
>>> to avoid the ongoing costs to IS&T of servicing an
>>> additional printer.
>>>
>>> The UA CIT has been spearheading the communication -
>>> MIT IS&T is already on board. I'll be meeting with CAC
>>> on Monday at 2:45pm to verify that they are willing to
>>> use some space in the former game room for this
>>> purpose. If they have no objections, it is likely that
>>> this project will enter the implementation stage in the
>>> next several weeks.
>>>
>>> Please send me an e-mail with any questions or
>>> concerns. (A request for funding will also be sent out
>>> shortly.)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Vrajesh
>>
>>
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We should name it Modi.<br clear=3D"all">---<br>Janet Li<br>MIT Class of 20=
12<br>Dept. of Biological Engineering<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Quentin=
Smith <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:quentin@mit.edu">quentin@mit=
.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"bo=
rder-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding=
-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Geoffrey Thomas wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Wait, so this is a proposal for the UA to spend $1500 towards moving a prin=
ter from W20-575 downstairs and replacing it with a new one, when there'=
;s already a broken printer (ceres) in W20 that almost certainly needs to b=
e replaced anyway?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
IS&T is funding the purchase of the new printer, which they probably wo=
uld have done anyway. I believe the intent is for the UA's money to con=
tribute only to physical security; this may include adding card access or e=
lectronic passcode locks.<div class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Presumably the replacement printer is the same model as bias, the Dell 5310=
n printer in the 12-182 cluster, to which various review sites on the web a=
ttribute a 50ppm speed and a "fast" warmup time. I think this is =
the model IS&T is/was planning to replace dying cluster printers with b=
ecause the HP 8150s are kind of old. (Although I haven't seen this happ=
en anywhere other than bias, I'm assuming because of budget cuts.) List=
price is $865 from Dell's website.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
You are presuming wrong - the current plan is to put in a fast Xerox printe=
r.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
What's more, IS&T is spending _at least five thousand dollars_, wit=
h no current stated budget cap, on this? Is this going to be locked down an=
y more than, say, quick-print in the building 11 quickstation cluster on th=
e Infinite (which just has the standard KSL mechanism and an always-open do=
or), and if so, why? The KSL security pad is $70 from their web order form.=
<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
It's not completely clear yet, but this is the last Senate meeting of t=
he term, and thus the last chance to request any funding for the project, w=
hich is likely to happen during IAP.<div class=3D"im"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
So the UA could easily buy those two items, get CAC to set up a table in th=
e arcade or next to the staircase quickstations, and set it up themselves, =
which would save the UA $750, save IS&T $5000, and keep six printers in=
W20-575.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
See above; your numbers are based on a false assumption. Also, it is likely=
, though not for sure yet, that w20color will move into W20-575 and thus th=
ere will still be six printers, including a color one.<div class=3D"im">
<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Lest someone complain that I didn't include consumables in this budget,=
third-party toner cartridges for the 5310n are $100 for 30,000 pages. If y=
ou were to blow every cent of the UA's remaining $750 on toner over a s=
ingle academic year, that's something like over a thousand pages a day,=
way more than it sounds like we're expecting this to be used.<br>
<br>
I encourage at least my senators to vote against funding for this project i=
n its present form. I don't deny that an Athena printer on W20-1 would =
be pretty awesome (I remember wanting one once or twice this term), but the=
present budget sounds exorbitant, and I'm skeptical that this is the b=
est use of Senate's discretionary funds -- as well as of $5000 of IS&am=
p;T's money that could go towards upgrading quickstation or cluster mac=
hines to faster ones, upgrading all six of the W20-575 printers to Dells, e=
tc.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
--Quentin<br>
UA Chief of Information Technology<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
-- <br>
Geoffrey Thomas<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:geofft@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">geofft@mit.edu</a><br>
<br>
Disclaimer: In addition to being a UA constituent, I am also an IS&T em=
ployee (RCC) and Athena developer. I am most definitely not speaking with e=
ither of those two latter hats on, and I have not spoken to anyone in IS&am=
p;T about this current proposal, nor is any information that I think wouldn=
't be easily available to any other undergrad figuring in to my respons=
e.<br>
<br>
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009, Vrajesh Modi (UA Special Projects Committee) wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Good question - a new one will be purchased, and an old one will be taken<b=
r>
out of service.=A0 IS&T will service the new printer, but they don'=
t want<br>
the total amount that they spend to go up, so they'll stop servicing th=
e<br>
one that they remove from the 5th floor.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Vrajesh<br>
<br>
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Owen Derby <<a href=3D"mailto:oderby@mi=
t.edu" target=3D"_blank">oderby@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Vrajesh,<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0You mention the printer will be removed from the 5th floor to<b=
r>
=A0 =A0 =A0"avoid ongoing costs to IS&T". Do you mean that a=
printer<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0from the 5th floor will be relocated to the 1st floor, or a<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0new one will be purchased? And if IS&T will no longer be<br=
>
=A0 =A0 =A0servicing the printer, who/where will the upkeep and<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0consumables(ink,paper) funding come from?<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Sounds like a great idea to me!<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0-Owen<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Vrajesh Modi (UA Special Projects<br>
Committee) <<a href=3D"mailto:ua-projects-chairs@mit.edu" target=3D"_bla=
nk">ua-projects-chairs@mit.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0This message is being sent to formally notify Senate<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0and Exec about the 'Printer in the W20 "Game Room"=
;'<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0project (in accordance with section 4.1 of the Cover<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Letter to the Fall 2009 Budget).<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0This project entails replacing one of the printers on<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0the 5th floor with a "blazingly fast" (50ppm duplex,<=
br>
=A0 =A0 =A0~6s from power save to first page) printer and<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0quickstation in the former game room on the first floor<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0of W20 (Student Center).=A0 This project will save<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0students' time by allowing them to quickly print<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0something on their way to class on the first floor<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0instead of having to go the the 5th floor Athena<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0cluster.=A0 A printer on the 5th floor would be removed<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0to avoid the ongoing costs to IS&T of servicing an<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0additional printer.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0The UA CIT has been spearheading the communication -<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0MIT IS&T is already on board.=A0 I'll be meeting with C=
AC<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0on Monday at 2:45pm to verify that they are willing to<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0use some space in the former game room for this<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0purpose.=A0 If they have no objections, it is likely that<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0this project will enter the implementation stage in the<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0next several weeks.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Please send me an e-mail with any questions or<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0concerns.=A0 (A request for funding will also be sent out<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0shortly.)<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Best,<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0Vrajesh</blockquote></blockquote>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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