[99905] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Upstreams blocking /24s? (was Re: How Not to Multihome)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven M. Bellovin)
Mon Oct 8 19:44:22 2007
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 23:43:21 +0000
From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
To: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
Cc: <surfer@mauigateway.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <FB24A26E-C81B-4743-BDB9-4937C9D82A83@virtualized.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:06:52 -0700
David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Oct 8, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
> > However, if it's less than a /24 it won't get very far as most >
> > upstreams block prefixes longer than a /24.
>
> I'm curious: a couple of people have indicated they do not believe
> this to be the case. Anybody have any hard data on what filters are
> actually in use today?
That's a good question. http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0105/prefix.html says
what was in use 6.5 years ago; it would be good to look at newer data.
>
> Others have indicated that such filters (assuming they exist) will
> not last in the face of paying customers presenting longer than /24
> prefixes for routing. Specifically, that ISPs will relax their
> filters (allowing longer than /24) in order to get their peers to
> accept their long prefixes. Anybody have an opinion on the
> likelihood of this?
>
The traditional answer has been "paying whom?" A given ISP's customers
might pay it to announce their routes; *maybe* they'll have bilateral
agreements with some of their peers to carry each other's longer
routes. But what about the next hop?
Put another way, there's been a lot of discussion -- pardon me, a
*FLEEPING LOT of DISCUSSION* -- on this list lately about how lots of
folks need to upgrade line cards and/or IOS and/or routers to keep up
with the growth of the routing table. If the growth is due to long
prefixes, who pays? Again, it's (relatively) easy to charge your own
customers.
--Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
