[99704] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Creating demand for IPv6
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark Smith)
Tue Oct 2 19:14:48 2007
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:22:59 +0930
From: Mark Smith <nanog@85d5b20a518b8f6864949bd940457dc124746ddc.nosense.org>
To: "William Herrin" <herrin-nanog@dirtside.com>
Cc: "Brian Raaen" <braaen@zcorum.com>, nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <3c3e3fca0710020942q2b94707cx27e80ad7d597a5bc@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 12:42:23 -0400
"William Herrin" <herrin-nanog@dirtside.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/2/07, Brian Raaen <braaen@zcorum.com> wrote:
> > Actually, a
> > better way to push IPv6 is make users want it and feel like they are missing
> > out if they don't have it. I campaign with some kind of slogan like 'got
> > IPv6' or "I've got ultra high tech IPv6 for my internet and you don't" with a
> > web url like www.getipv6.com (oops, some domain squatter already registered
> > it).
>
> Brian,
>
> I offer you two words: Ford Edsel.
>
> It doesn't matter how clever you make the marketing campaign if on
> finding out what the product actually is the customers decide they
> don't want it.
>
>
> > This all boils down to simple economics.... supply and demand.
>
> As far as I can tell, IPv6 is at least theoretically capable of
> offering exactly two things that IPv4 does not offer and can't easily
> be made to offer:
>
> 1. More addresses.
> 2. Provider independent addresses
>
> At the customer level, #1 has been thoroughly mitigated by NAT,
> eliminating demand. Indeed, the lack of IPv6 NAT creates a negative
> demand: folks used to NAT don't want to give it up.
>
Those people don't know any better, because they probably haven't used
a NAT free Internet. Most North Koreans probably aren't asking for
democracy either.
Have you used a NAT free Internet?
So if more addresses was "thoroughly mitigated by NAT", when were these
problems that NAT creates fixed?
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html
> This community (network operators) has refused to permit #2, even to
> the extent that its present in IPv4, eliminating that source of demand
> as well.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> --
> William D. Herrin herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr. Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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