[99681] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com)
Tue Oct 2 12:19:13 2007
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:56:50 +0000
From: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@vix.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <g3myv1oc04.fsf@sa.vix.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Tue, Oct 02, 2007 at 01:57:15PM +0000, Paul Vixie wrote:
>
> > On Oct 1, 2007, at 9:15 AM, John Curran wrote:
> > > What happens if folks can somehow obtain IPv4 address blocks
> > > but the cumulative route load from all of these non-hierarchical
> > > blocks prevents ISP's from routing them?
>
> drc@virtualized.org (David Conrad) writes:
> > Presumably, the folks with the non-hierarchical address space that
> > might get filtered would have potentially limited connectivity (as
> > opposed to no connectivity if they didn't have IPv4 addresses).
>
> i had a totally different picture in my head, which was of a rolling
> outage of routers unable to cope with "full routing" in the face of
> this kind of unaggregated/nonhierarchical table, followed by a surge
> of bankruptcies and mergers and buyouts as those without access to
> sufficient new-router capital gave way to those with such access,
> followed by another surge of bankruptcies and mergers as those who
> thought they had access to such capital couldn't make their payments.
>
> call me a glass-half-full kind of guy, but the picture in my head in
> response to john's question is of a whole lot of network churn as the
> community jointly answers the question "who can still play in this
> world?" rather than "how useful will those new routes really be?"
> internet economics don't admit the possibility of not-full-routes, and
> so david's view that nonhierarchical routes won't be as useful as
> hierarchical makes me wonder, what isp anywhere will stay in business
> while not routing "everything" if other isp's can route "everything"?
>
> we're all in this stew pot together.
> --
> Paul Vixie
stewing melds flavors, i hope we have a good chef.
that said, i'm kind of leaning toward what i think of
as DRC's view... but to clarify, can you tell me the
economic incentive to carry route prefixes that you will
only ever use to accept SPAM?
--bill
