[99543] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randy Bush)
Thu Sep 27 20:14:15 2007
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:59:53 -1000
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To: Kevin Oberman <oberman@es.net>
CC: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <20070927234508.2E30445010@ptavv.es.net>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
>>> So run IPv6 natively and your tunneling issues are history.
>> son, get a clue. i work for the first isp on the bleeping planet
>> to deploy native ipv6
> I beg to differ. Add the word "commercial" and I might agree.
whoops! <blush> apologies!
> eliminating tunnels does not make all of the IPv6 problems go away.
> It just eliminates the ones caused by the use of tunnels.
in and of itself, this is a good thing. tunnels suck caterpillar snot.
> The REAL problems are not going anywhere for a long time, if ever.
indeed, many will be with us for a long time. but there are a bunch we
could knock off in a few years
o dual stack backbones (and it's as much the vendors as the isps here)
o dual stack consumer cpe
o routers that hold 2m routes *with churn* from enterprise to backbone
o test equipment to differentiate vendor hot air from actual
performance
o nat-pt with standardized algs for at least dns, smtp, http, sip, and
rtp
randy
