[9954] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: NSP ... New Information
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karl Denninger)
Mon Jun 9 15:25:52 1997
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:22:32 -0500
From: Karl Denninger <karl@Mcs.Net>
To: Larry Vaden <vaden@texoma.net>
Cc: tispa@swri.edu, nanog@merit.edu, pagan@apnic.net
In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19970609140851.0075cd58@texoma.net>; from Larry Vaden on Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 02:08:51PM -0500
On Mon, Jun 09, 1997 at 02:08:51PM -0500, Larry Vaden wrote:
> At 01:55 PM 6/9/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
> >
> >In message <3.0.1.32.19970608231642.00d49e1c@texoma.net>, Larry Vaden writes:
> >>At 10:54 PM 6/8/97 -0500, Jeremy Porter wrote:
> >>>This means that you should use renumbering technology as much as
> >>>possible, so that when you can justify a /19 you can get one,
> >>>until then, find an ISP that is multi-homes and can provide you
> >>>the IP addresses you need, and consider two connections to them,
> >>>giving you the benefit of being multi-homed without the cost of
> >>>the routers needed for full BGP, or needing to justify a /19.
> >>
> >>A quick question:
> >>
> >>What is the immediate utilization rate required for an ISP's first /19?
> >>
> >>Please provide a basis in RFC2050 et al relevant documents for your answer.
> >
> >The /19 is required to be utilized in 6 months, as part of slow start.
> >(Under Internic guidelines, under ARIN this could be changed.)
> >Check out www.arin.net, www.ripe.net, and www.apnic.net for the
> >indivdual registries polices.
> >
> >---
> >Jeremy Porter, Freeside Communications, Inc. jerry@fc.net
> >PO BOX 80315 Austin, Tx 78708 | 1-800-968-8750 | 512-458-9810
> >http://www.fc.net
>
> Jeremy, that's the way I read it also, but Kim Hubbard of InterNIC says an
> ISP applying for their first /19 must show 100% immediate utilization of a
> /19 to obtain one from InterNIC. I don't see the part of RFC2050 which
> supports Kim's interpretation, especially for a currently multi-homed ISP.
> Do you or others?
>
> Dr. Jon Postel has also been silent in regard to pointing out the authority
> for the 100% immediate utilization rate.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Larry Vaden, founder and CEO help-desk 903-813-4500
> Internet Texoma, Inc. <http://www.texoma.net> direct 903-870-0365
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That's because under the RFCs and BCPs there isn't one.
Nor, I might add, would @Home's allocation (or dozens of others) be or have
been legit under such a policy.
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