[98256] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Routing public traffic across county boundaries in Europe
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexander Harrowell)
Fri Jul 27 05:59:34 2007
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:52:05 +0100
From: "Alexander Harrowell" <a.harrowell@gmail.com>
To: "Lionel Elie Mamane" <lionel@mamane.lu>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <20070727041435.GA9362@capsaicin.mamane.lu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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On 7/27/07, Lionel Elie Mamane <lionel@mamane.lu> wrote:
>
> What I would expect is that you still have to obey lawful intercept
> legislation, so you need to interconnect with the government "black
> box" rooms, and these are at the major IXs in the country. (And I've
> repeatedly heard that in the Netherlands, for some time in the past at
> least, the way the ISPs got rid of the lawful intercept obligation was
> to have the AMS-IX send a copy of *all* the traffic to the government
> black box. Not that they had to do that, but it was the easiest /
> cheapest way.)
Easiest/cheapest for the Dutch ISPs. Not for the government though! AMS-IX
can be 200GBits a second, so I wonder if this was an exercise in killing the
snoopers with kindness.
If there were any such obligation, I'd expect the real reason not to
> be "the egress country can snoop", but "it is harder for the
> originating country to snoop".
Perhaps. The French and German govts are not keen on their officials using
Blackberrys 'cos all European BlackBerry traffic goes via a building near my
house (single point of failure? we don't need no stinkin' redundancy!) in
London.
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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/27/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Lionel Elie Mamane</b> <<a href="mailto:lionel@mamane.lu">lionel@mamane.lu</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>What I would expect is that you still have to obey lawful intercept<br>legislation, so you need to interconnect with the government "black<br>box" rooms, and these are at the major IXs in the country. (And I've
<br>repeatedly heard that in the Netherlands, for some time in the past at<br>least, the way the ISPs got rid of the lawful intercept obligation was<br>to have the AMS-IX send a copy of *all* the traffic to the government
<br>black box. Not that they had to do that, but it was the easiest /<br>cheapest way.)</blockquote><div><br>Easiest/cheapest for the Dutch ISPs. Not for the government though! AMS-IX can be 200GBits a second, so I wonder if this was an exercise in killing the snoopers with kindness.
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">If there were any such obligation, I'd expect the real reason not to<br>be "the egress country can snoop", but "it is harder for the
<br>originating country to snoop".</blockquote><div><br>Perhaps. The French and German govts are not keen on their officials using Blackberrys 'cos all European BlackBerry traffic goes via a building near my house (single point of failure? we don't need no stinkin' redundancy!) in London.
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