[97964] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: DNS Hijacking by Cox
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Raymond L. Corbin)
Sun Jul 22 22:36:16 2007
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:19:17 -0400
In-Reply-To: <20070723115539.m3q18ziqu8kog4kw@zeus.crc.id.au>
From: "Raymond L. Corbin" <rcorbin@hostmysite.com>
To: "Steven Haigh" <netwiz@crc.id.au>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
>I'm still unsure that this is either a good idea or a bad idea... =20
>changing the DNS can only help until the bots start connecting directly
to >IP addresses. Then where do we go? NAT those connections to
elsewhere? It's >one of those lovely arms races where things just get
more and more >invasive.
I don't foresee the programming of IP addresses instead of IP addresses.
Because if/when they are found and their exploited server is shut down,
their dedicated server turned off for AUP violations etc they will loose
access to all of the bots set to that IP address. This happens a lot and
when it does they simply change the DNS.
>And these people have been flamed senseless. I like to think of it as =20
>a case of the work the blocklists do is excellent and saves many a =20
>network from being overrun by spam - however there is always =20
>collateral damage from things like this. The good far outweighs the =20
>bad however.
I agree. They are at least trying to clean up their network. If they are
having a lot of problems with zombie bots that DDoS / Spam then this is
a good way to stop it, for now. The small group of users can either use
other nameservers or something like psybnc to connect if they want to
get on IRC.
Raymond Corbin
Support Analyst
HostMySite.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Steven Haigh
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 9:56 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: DNS Hijacking by Cox
Quoting Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com>:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, William Allen Simpson wrote:
>> Comcast still blocks port 25. And last week, a locally well-known
person
>> was blocked from sending outgoing port 25 email to their servers from
her
>> home Comcast service.
>
> MSA port 587 is only 9 years old. I guess it takes some people longer
> than others to update their practices. Based on what I know how
> comcast's abuse systems implement their port 25 restrictions, I think
> it is extremely unlikely it was based on other people having her
e-mail
> address in their Outlook programs.
Indeed. There's just not enough info to make anything but wild guesses =20
about this.
> Some people complain ISPs refuse to take action about abuse and
> compromised computers on their networks. On the other hand, people
> complain when ISPs take action about abuse and compromised computers
on
> their networks. ISPs are pretty much damned if they do, and damned if
> they don't.
Gotta love the techie world :)
> Several ISPs have been redirecting malware using IRC to "cleaning"
> servers for a couple of years trying to respond to the massive number
> of bots. On occasion they pick up C&C server which also contains some
> "legitimate" uses. Trying to come up with a good cleaning message for
> each protocol can be a challenge.
I'm still unsure that this is either a good idea or a bad idea... =20
changing the DNS can only help until the bots start connecting =20
directly to IP addresses. Then where do we go? NAT those connections =20
to elsewhere? It's one of those lovely arms races where things just =20
get more and more invasive.
In the short term, it's a good thing - the amount of spam I get from =20
their network has halved - which is great - however in the long term, =20
the writers of this crudware will find another way to do business =20
(web? ftp?).
> Yes, false positives and false negatives are always an issue. People
> running sevaral famous block lists for spam and other abuse also made
> mistakes on occasion.
And these people have been flamed senseless. I like to think of it as =20
a case of the work the blocklists do is excellent and saves many a =20
network from being overrun by spam - however there is always =20
collateral damage from things like this. The good far outweighs the =20
bad however.
--=20
Steven Haigh
Email: netwiz@crc.id.au
Web: http://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9017 0597 - 0404 087 474
