[97772] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Nathan Ward)
Thu Jul 5 21:45:26 2007
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0707052116480.29836@clifden.donelan.com>
From: Nathan Ward <nanog@daork.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 13:39:16 +1200
To: Nanog <nanog@nanog.org>
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On 6/07/2007, at 1:19 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
>
> On Fri, 6 Jul 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
>>> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134159-c,internetlegalissues/
>>> article.html
>>>
>>> Note that this is based on their interpretation of EU law.
>>
>> and a hearty 'good luck' to them... :( I suppose someone could
>> point the
>> Belgian's over to the Panamanians (who tried to block VoIP, thanks
>> C&W
>> PTT for that 'fun'). Hurray, more clue- legislation...
>
> Does anyone have an english language translation of the eleven methods
> proposed by the "expert" to implement this order?
>
> I don't think it is going to be pratical, especially since the NSA
> hasn't
> solved the problem of covert channels in decades. But maybe this
> "expert"
> has come up with something novel. Or maybe not.
>
> But I'd like to see what was proposed before passing judgement on it.
The PCWorld article mentions some "Audible Magic" solution as one them.
Google finds:
http://www.audiblemagic.com/solutions/isps.asp
Including a product called "CopySense", which has the following
features:
* Log and analyze the P2P load on your network
* Limit P2P traffic to only use an allocated portion of bandwidth
* Filter P2P traffic:
o Block all P2P file transfers, or...
o Block only transfers containing copyrighted content, and/
or...
o Block transfers containing illegal child pornography,
and/or...
o Block transfers containing other pornographic or
offensive content
* Filter WWW traffic:
o Block known malicious websites, and/or...
o Block illegal sites containing child pornography, and/or...
o Block other pornographic or offensive sites
I wonder if they did a proof of concept at all, or if they just read
the glossies..
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<br><div><div>On 6/07/2007, at 1:19 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:</div><br =
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margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Fri, =
6 Jul 2007, Chris L. Morrow wrote:</div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:</div> =
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><a =
href=3D"http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134159-c,internetlegalissues/art=
icle.html">http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134159-c,internetlegalissues/=
article.html</a></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Note that this is based on their interpretation of =
EU law.</div> </blockquote><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">and a hearty 'good luck' to =
them... :( I suppose someone could point the</div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Belgian's over to the Panamanians (who tried to =
block VoIP, thanks C&W</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">PTT for that =
'fun'). Hurray, more clue- legislation...</div> </blockquote><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Does =
anyone have an english language translation of the eleven =
methods</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">proposed by the "expert" to =
implement this order?</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; =
"><br></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I don't think it is going to be =
pratical, especially since the NSA hasn't</div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">solved =
the problem of covert channels in decades.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>But maybe this =
"expert"</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">has come up with something =
novel.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 </span>Or maybe =
not.</div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><br></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">But I'd like to see what was proposed before passing =
judgement on it.</div></blockquote><br></div><div>The PCWorld article =
mentions some "Audible Magic" solution as one =
them.</div><div><br></div><div>Google finds:</div><div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: =
12.0px Helvetica"><a =
href=3D"http://www.audiblemagic.com/solutions/isps.asp">http://www.audible=
magic.com/solutions/isps.asp</a></font></div></div><div>Including a =
product called "CopySense", which has the following =
features:</div><div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><div=
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: =
12.0px Helvetica">=A0=A0 =A0*=A0 Log and analyze the P2P load on your =
network</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 * Limit P2P traffic =
to only use an allocated portion of bandwidth</font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: =
12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 * Filter P2P traffic:</font></div><div =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: =
12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o Block all P2P file transfers, =
or...</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o Block =
only transfers containing copyrighted content, =
and/or...</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o Block =
transfers containing illegal child pornography, =
and/or...</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o Block =
transfers containing other pornographic or offensive =
content</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 * Filter WWW =
traffic:</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o Block =
known malicious websites, and/or...</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0=
=A0 =A0 o Block illegal sites containing child pornography, =
and/or...</font></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><font face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 o Block =
other pornographic or offensive sites</font></div> <br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I wonder if they did a =
proof of concept at all, or if they just read the =
glossies..</div><div><br =
class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>--</div><div>Nathan =
Ward</div></body></html>=
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