[976] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Address clustering intuition
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jim Dixon)
Fri Nov 10 02:36:36 1995
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 23:26:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Dixon <jdd@vbc.net>
To: Geert Jan de Groot <GeertJan.deGroot@ripe.net>
cc: "Walter O. Haas" <haas@xmission.com>, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <9511092222.AA07009@ncc.ripe.net>
On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 1995 10:16:39 -0700 "Walter O. Haas" wrote:
> > I've formed an intuition that, if all IP addresses were portable (ie.
> > independent of ISP) and assigned on a strictly geographic basis, then
> > there would *automatically* be clustering of addresses equivalent to
> > that obtained from CIDRization as a result of marketplace forces and
> > the practicalities of technology.
>
> No, this does not work. Looking at Europe, I know of several ISPs
> to which the shortest path from here (Amsterdam, the Netherlands)
> is via MAE-EAST; they either don't have external connectivity
> on the continent itself, or we have no provider willing to provide
> transit between here and their continental connectivity.
This is a very strange argument. There is always someone willing
to provide transit for the right fee.
> There is a second, similar reason: assume that A and B each operate
> in the same area. They use different carriers for transit to MAE-EAST.
> Who of these is going to announce the aggregated announcement?
What aggregated announcement? Under his scheme, IP addresses are
distributed geographically. Transit carriers would be responsible
for getting a packet to the correct regional distribution center.
Carriers would peer there and pick up their own customers' traffic.
> > Note that this results from the address being, not the property of the
> > ISP or the end user, but rather of a geographic location. In other words
> > under my scheme if I picked up and moved a hundred miles I'd have to
> > renumber, but if I just switched ISPs I wouldn't.
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