[97566] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: TransAtlantic Cable Break
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (W.D.McKinney)
Sat Jun 23 00:53:51 2007
To: nanog@merit.edu
From: "W.D.McKinney" <deem@wdm.com>
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4143A3D424EE3F4B8BB1DA8D39BD2D0D010D7EF7@hal.HiberniaAtlantic.local
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:09:31 -0800
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From: Rod Beck [mailto:Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com]
To: Sean Donelan [mailto:sean@donelan.com], Hank Nussbacher [mailto:hank=
@efes.iucc.ac.il]
Cc: nanog [mailto:nanog@merit.edu]
Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:14:20 -0800
Subject: RE: TransAtlantic Cable Break
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Protected 10 gig waves NYC/London are extremely expensive. Say $60K or m=
ore per month.
Not bad as DS3's between Alaska & Seattle used to cost that much.
-Dee
So it usually makes sense for the Layer 3 guys to lease diversely rout=
ed 10 gig waves and do the protection themselves using MPLS or load bala=
ncing or some other protocol about which I know little ...
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Roderick S. Beck
Hibernia Atlantic
1 Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com
rodbeck@erols.com
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' A=
lbert Einstein.
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Sean Donelan
Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 4:56 PM
To: Hank Nussbacher
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break
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On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>> Tell that to the 10 gig wave customers who lost service. Very few c=
able
>> systems provide protection at the 10 gig wave level.
>
> If you don't pay the extra amount for a protected circuit, why shoul=
d your
> circuit get protection for free when others have to pay for it=3F N=
ow, if
> there are 10G customers with protected circuits who lost service, th=
en
> hopefully they have in their contract hefty penalty clauses against =
the
> carrier. If not, then they are just plain stupid.
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Is paying for "protected circuits" actually worth it. Or are you bett=
er
off just buying two circuits and using both during normal conditions.
Use switching at layer 3 to the remaining circuit during abnormal
conditions. Most of the time, you get twice the capacity for only twi=
ce
the price instead of a "protected circuit" where you only get the once
the capacity for twice the price.
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Of course, there is still the problem some facility provider will "gro=
om"
both your circuits on to the same cable. If you are buying pre-emptab=
le
circuits, hopefully you understand what that means.
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<br><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-=
left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"><hr><b>From:</b> Rod Be=
ck [mailto:Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com]<br><b>To:</b> Sean Donelan [ma=
ilto:sean@donelan.com], Hank Nussbacher [mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il]<br=
><b>Cc:</b> nanog [mailto:nanog@merit.edu]<br><b>Sent:</b> Fri, 22 Jun 2=
007 10:14:20 -0800<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: TransAtlantic Cable Break<br><=
br>
<p><font size=3D"2">Protected 10 gig waves NYC/London are extremely expe=
nsive. Say $60K or more per month.<br>
</font></p></blockquote>Not bad as DS3's between Alaska & Seattle us=
ed to cost that much.<br><br>-Dee<br><br><br><blockquote style=3D"border=
-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; ma=
rgin-right: 0px;"><p><font size=3D"2"><span></span><br>
So it usually makes sense for the Layer 3 guys to lease diversely routed=
10 gig waves and do the protection themselves using MPLS or load balanc=
ing or some other protocol about which I know little ...<br>
<br>
Roderick S. Beck<br>
Hibernia Atlantic<br>
1 Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com">http://www.hiberniaatlantic.=
com</a><br>
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.<br>
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com">rod.beck@hiberniaatlant=
ic.com</a><br>
<a href=3D"mailto:rodbeck@erols.com">rodbeck@erols.com</a><br>
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Alb=
ert Einstein.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href=3D"mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu">owner-nanog@merit.edu</a>=
on behalf of Sean Donelan<br>
Sent: Fri 6/22/2007 4:56 PM<br>
To: Hank Nussbacher<br>
Cc: nanog<br>
Subject: Re: TransAtlantic Cable Break<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Hank Nussbacher wrote:<br>
>> Tell that to the 10 gig wave customers who lost service. Very f=
ew cable<br>
>> systems provide protection at the 10 gig wave level.<br>
><br>
> If you don't pay the extra amount for a protected circuit, why shou=
ld your<br>
> circuit get protection for free when others have to pay for it=3F&n=
bsp; Now, if<br>
> there are 10G customers with protected circuits who lost service, t=
hen<br>
> hopefully they have in their contract hefty penalty clauses against=
the<br>
> carrier. If not, then they are just plain stupid.<br>
<br>
Is paying for "protected circuits" actually worth it. Or are you b=
etter<br>
off just buying two circuits and using both during normal conditions.<br=
>
Use switching at layer 3 to the remaining circuit during abnormal<br>
conditions. Most of the time, you get twice the capacity for only =
twice<br>
the price instead of a "protected circuit" where you only get the once<b=
r>
the capacity for twice the price.<br>
<br>
Of course, there is still the problem some facility provider will "groom=
"<br>
both your circuits on to the same cable. If you are buying pre-emp=
table<br>
circuits, hopefully you understand what that means.<br>
<br>
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